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The American Way of War, What's wrong with the military? (Long read)
The Atlantic Monthly ^ | 1/8/03 | James Fallows, Robert Coram, Donald Vandergriff

Posted on 01/12/2003 3:04:35 PM PST by Valin

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1 posted on 01/12/2003 3:04:35 PM PST by Valin
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2 posted on 01/12/2003 3:11:05 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: Valin
Gee, is Milosevic in power? Does Serbia rule more than a little of Kosovo now? I wonder who won.

In Mogadishu, a small group of trapped Americans with little support inflicted 100 to 1 casualties. If the leadership had chosen to do so, our casualties would have been even less and the enemy would have had tens of thousands of casualties (and he would have fallen to rival factions in the weeks afterwards).

The Republican Guard escaped due to a political decision on the part of the White House and the highest commanders. If they had given the order, they would have been exterminated. The US military is quite capable of doing what needs to be done -- as long as leaders let it.

3 posted on 01/12/2003 3:26:36 PM PST by LenS
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To: LenS
The Republican Guard escaped due to a political decision on the part of the White House and the highest commanders. If they had given the order, they would have been exterminated. The US military is quite capable of doing what needs to be done -- as long as leaders let it.

This is precisely the point. Not only have the missions become ridiculously laden with restrictions and constraints, mostly due to political factors, but those carrying them out are used to it. The bar for success has been placed so far above simple victory that it is absurd.

'We can't have any of you getting killed, or this will become a political incident'. That line of reasoning is not for the benefit of the mission or the men, its for the expediency of those giving the orders.

Pilots hate flying at 30,000 feet, they'd rather go lower so they know they aren't shooting civilians and are hitting their targets. Green Berets hate watching bin Laden slip away, knowing the could go stop him before he can plan another attack, but the generals are terrified that they could get killed in the process.

What success we do have is entirely icing on the cake. Any of the examples he cites would have ended far differently had the generals and politicians took a step back and said 'let em have it, boys' .

The writer is correct that the military officer culture has become corporate, corrupted and has lost its edge. This was enforced from above, and needs to be remedied from above to fix it. I'm all for calling attention to this fact, and hope that in this age of increased awareness of military affairs, it is addressed soon. the whole system chafes under the yoke

7 posted on 01/12/2003 4:43:38 PM PST by Steel Wolf
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To: LenS
Excellent. Weak political leadership produces disaster - Jimmy Carter & the Iran Hostage debacle, LBJ & McNamara micro managing Vietnam, George Senior letting Sadam off the hook & then allowing him to destroy his internal oposition, Bubba & the North Koreans, not to mention Bubba selling ICBM & Nuke technology to the Chicoms. Don't forget Somalia. By the way, the same people that worked for years to destroy the CIA, FBI & the military now seek blame them for 9/11. Remember their silence when Bubba blew up the asprin factory & their defense of his "private" behavior with sweet Monica? Now they carp because "we" are insentive & unloved by European leftists. You can't make this up. Gotta love it.
8 posted on 01/12/2003 4:54:38 PM PST by Lobster 6
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To: Valin
I have an old-fashioned belief in the inherent goodness of mankind, Must not spent a whole lot of time around people...or read the bible much...
9 posted on 01/12/2003 5:04:53 PM PST by joesnuffy
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To: Valin
James Fallows.
Confirmed liar.
Wrong on everything he ever wrote. Said we should all become like the Japonese economically. Said that weapons systems didn't and wouldn't work. Bla, bla, bal, leftist political limpwrist wonk.
10 posted on 01/12/2003 5:12:13 PM PST by Leisler
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Thanks for the link.
11 posted on 01/12/2003 5:15:34 PM PST by Valin (Good Luck)
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have an old-fashioned belief in the inherent goodness of mankind.

Trust...but verify.
12 posted on 01/12/2003 5:16:42 PM PST by Valin (Good Luck)
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To: DesideriusErasmus
Got that site bookmarked for later reading!
13 posted on 01/12/2003 5:49:44 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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14 posted on 01/12/2003 5:56:02 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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Article on Boyd here:

Boyd: Foul-mouthed maverick changed the art of war

It is a great story!

15 posted on 01/12/2003 6:14:58 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
And another article on Boyd:

The Strategy of the Fighter Pilot

16 posted on 01/12/2003 6:19:03 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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You might find this of interest!
17 posted on 01/12/2003 6:20:59 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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From the Claremont Institute:

The Path To Victory
A Symposium on the War (Fall 2002 Issue )

Nine days after the fiendish attacks on New York City and Washington, D.C., President George W. Bush declared that any nation sponsoring, aiding, or harboring terrorists would be considered an enemy of the United States. In October, American forces launched punishing airstrikes on Afghanistan, then the headquarters of al-Qaeda and its leader, Osama bin Laden. Assaulted by the land, sea, and air forces of the U.S. and its allies, Afghanistan's Taliban regime soon collapsed. In November, the Claremont Review of Books published an essay by Angelo Codevilla titled "Victory: What it Will Take to Win." In it, and in two subsequent essays, Codevilla, professor of international relations at Boston University and a spirited analyst of (and participant in) U.S. foreign and defense policy, argued that the U.S. "war on terrorism" is misconceived, that the focus on al-Qaeda and bin Laden is shortsighted, and that the homeland security measures are futile. To win the war, he contended, the United States must topple the regimes that make terrorists like Osama bin Laden possible, specifically the despots and ruling parties of Iraq, Syria, and the Palestinian Authority. As the anniversary of September 11 approaches—and as the war enters its second year—we asked five distinguished commentators to reflect on Codevilla's assessment of the war. His reply follows.

18 posted on 01/12/2003 6:26:36 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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19 posted on 01/12/2003 6:28:00 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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Another thread at FR on Boyd with good references:

Foul-mouthed maverick changed the art of war

20 posted on 01/12/2003 6:43:18 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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