[artios]

to be sure .... it is liberal arrogance that assigns the creation of an idea to a person like Wagner rather than a Tolkien - when in fact the truth is it came from the Norse and Finnish etc legends that inspired them. Wagner was a statist and spiritualist. Very devilish influence on his times. His music does not have the same sway or influence today. (This is true of all music - Beatles caused people to faint - then - but now its just good music etc) 1848 was a bad year spiritually based on all the events that happened - including Wagners Music and some spiritualists that became popular. Anyway - its not suprising a liberal would denegrate Tolkien - A Christian whose works are meant to influence the reader in a godly way and show the greatness of freedom and the horror of unchecked power and the flawed nature of man - liberals hate freedom, desire control over others and want a world empire controlling everything. Tolkien:Wagner = Conservative:Liberal in America today

[Sam Cree]

"liberals hate freedom, desire control over others and want a world empire controlling everything"

What Tolkien described as the "dominion over other free wills."

Yeah, good points.