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1 posted on 01/08/2003 11:35:54 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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My Uncle Bob was a 30 year veteran of a police force in suburban Cleveland. He was best man at my wedding 40 years ago. He served in an era when MOST cops embodied the now frequently hollow motto emblazoned on patrol cars all over this country: “TO PROTECT AND SERVE.”

The last years of his career were spent as the Chief Juvenile Detective in his department. When he died, a number of the young men whose lives he’d touched years before came forward to tell how his timely and sometimes tough-love intervention turned them around.

I know that many officers STILL try to live that creed today. I also know that there are officers out there who, despite the rulings by the Supremes that they have no obligation to specific, individual citizens, would stand between one of us and a bullet – and have.

My sister is married to a good guy – who was also a good cop.

And I STILL vividly recall a business trip and having a flat tire. I pulled onto the narrow shoulder and was opening the trunk when I spied a Georgia State Trooper’s car cross the median, hit the flashers and pull in some distance behind me and a bit closer to the road, shielding me and my car from the 70 MPH traffic. SHE got out and asked if I needed any help. I told her I could probably handle it. She said she’d keep her unit there until I got done.

THEN she spotted my cane and saw that I was partially disabled. Before I could object, she was in the trunk, had wrestled the spare to the ground and was jacking up the car, all the while asking me to remain safely near the guardrail. About that time, two county deputies stopped and pitched in. The lady trooper cut her hand fooling with the jack and soiled her freshly pressed uniform wrestling the dirty flat back into the trunk. They couldn’t have been nicer! I took their names and wrote highly complimentary letters to their superiors – all of whom promptly acknowledged them and thanked me for the kind words.

These officers – like my uncle – grasped the significance of “To Protect and Serve.”

I also recognize that the cops – like Gort in “The Day The Earth Stood Still” -- are simply the muscle (the “enforcement”) behind the legislative and statutory “law” enacted by society as a whole. That is, after all, why it’s called “LAW ENFORCEMENT.” And although it could be argued that this society may be morphing into the homonym for “whole” as you read this, these laws are enacted by our alleged “representatives” meeting in generally safe, quiet and opulent chambers far from the increasingly mean streets where the cops ply their trade. If the cops have too many intrusive and abusive laws to enforce, check the nearest mirror for a likeness of the responsible party.

And if the cops ARE abusive to the general citizenry, why aren’t HUNDREDS or THOUSANDS of us RAISING UNHOLY HELL at each and every meeting of the responsible governing body? French political philosopher Joseph D'Maistre declared that "Every people gets the government they deserve."

Have we really become the “nation of sheep” an author foresaw many years ago? If so, we have little right to object to the shearing. Or the coming slaughter and culling of the flock. And my guess is that the culling will begin with the most troublesome and noisiest sheep. And guess who THAT is?

An old friend is a ranking officer with a large police department. I would rate his love of our freedoms and the Constitution against anyone here at FR. A few years ago, he told me that IF the order to begin some sort of weapons round-up among the general citizenry ever came down from “on high,” we would quickly know about it from the reports of disturbances and gunfire from the neighborhood cop shop: Fully HALF the officers in his department are Second Amendment guys. He and they would be the first to resist such an order – physically if necessary. What should scare us all is the shift in our demographics and the continuing leftist indoctrination by the government schools, making it impossible to know how much longer that ratio – and sentiment – will hold.

A civilized society must also recognize the need to assure that EVERY officer we put out there be as well paid, trained and supervised as possible. The people doing this work ought to have the best training and equipment we can provide them if only to convey to them our belief that their work – and their lives – are as worthy as our own – if only to keep their morale at the highest possible level. Disgruntled malcontents almost always make lousy cops.

Having said that, we must also recognize that EVERY large barrel contains some bad apples -- and SOME cops are “cowboys.” Some are simply power driven megalomaniacs who would have dropped on the OTHER side of the law had their lives drifted a degree or two off the course they did take.

I believe this to be especially true of far too many federal law enforcement types who have allowed their egos and hubris to become as bloated as the bureaucratic federal behemoth they serve. Their mandate is no longer to “…protect and serve” the citizens who pay their salaries: It is to crush any meaningful resistance to a growing body of procedures, regulations and policies – too frequently enforced under severely tortured interpretations of the underlying legislative enactments (if any) – and often put in place by executive fiat. The massively abused SEIZURE statutes – laws the author of which now seeks to RESCIND! -- spring to mind.

And one cannot but help to wonder how the clear criminality of the Clintons – and their subsequent avoidance of any penalty – has played into the problem. There now seems to be a bright line between the easy, highly flexible, slap-on-the-wrist law for the rich and powerful and the rigidly enforced law against even the tiniest victimless “crimes” committed by those of us further down the food chain. Does anyone in his right mind believe THAT will NOT engender added disrespect for ALL law?

Could those things be a large part of the problem in some of the highly disturbing – and DEADLY (on BOTH sides) – confrontations we have witnessed over the past decade or so? Gordon Kahl, Ruby Ridge, OK City, Waco, Beck… This list WILL lengthen and we’d all better pray that WE will be spared.

Roman historian Tacitus warned that one could tell the level of corruption in a society by the NUMBER of its laws. Anyone doubt the level of corruption here?

Am I the only one who thinks we’re long overdue a serious review of the NUMBERS of laws under which we are now forced to exist – and which are increasingly used not to assure our safety or well-being, but to COMMAND AND CONTROL us and KEEP US IN LINE.

Only the most tyrannical and power-crazed members of law enforcement could possibly object to that.

The modern counterparts of my Uncle Bob would not object.

It is THEY, after all, who are most likely to catch that bullet – probably fired by someone who has symbolically screamed to himself “I’M MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANY MORE” -- referred to earlier when they sally forth to serve that flimsy warrant or make that bogus arrest.

157 posted on 01/09/2003 9:36:40 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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169 posted on 01/09/2003 9:56:52 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: JohnHuang2
These blithering idiot Tennessee LEO's had no business displaying that much firepower for stopping an uncorroburated or unsubstantiated story in the first place. They drew weapons to fast not knowing if anybody in the vehicle was armed or dangerous and they presumed to much. There was no credible witness, victem, or crime event. It must have been a slow week for these rambo types who finaly had a chance to be on COPS and instead showed what blithering idiots they are. If this is the state of LEO and practice in America than it has all gone terribly wrong and I hope people begin to sue the crap out them.
172 posted on 01/09/2003 10:01:46 AM PST by Mat_Helm
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To: JohnHuang2
Bookmark for later.
178 posted on 01/09/2003 10:12:20 AM PST by Double Tap
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To: JohnHuang2
The Herald-Citizen reports that "to an average viewer, the scene recorded on the video may not demonstrate the aggressiveness or the threat the officer said he experienced as the dog came toward him."

Also known as the "who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?" defense.

203 posted on 01/09/2003 10:47:59 AM PST by Dan Day
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To: JohnHuang2
A sickening, sad story about another incompetent cop(s). The problem is the officer deserves punishment, not the insurnce carrier or the county taxpayers if they are self-insured.

The cop should have to personally pay pay the family $500 to buy a new dog and $10,000 for their grief so they can take a 2 week vacation in Hawaii and mourn their loss.

223 posted on 01/09/2003 11:20:11 AM PST by 1Old Pro (fun, fun, fun till my daddy takes the T-Bird away)
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"...to an average viewer, the scene recorded on the video may not demonstrate the aggressiveness or the threat the officer said he experienced as the dog came toward him."

In other words, "Who you gonna believe? Me, or your own lyin' eyes?"

238 posted on 01/09/2003 11:58:35 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: JohnHuang2
The officer should be arrested and charged with murder.

Even in the scenerio he is trying to lie and pass off as being the case, he could have shot him in the tail or something, not the head.

He is guilty of getting his jollies by offing a dog. He should be set to prison for the sick bastard he is.
266 posted on 01/09/2003 1:55:50 PM PST by rwfromkansas (www.fairtax.org: It is time for a FAIRTAX!)
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...I yelled at the dog to get back, but it attempted to circle me to attack [ "to attack" is a BIG, unsubstantiated assumption], so I felt [admits he was not thinking] that I had no option [correction - he is too stupid to think of another option that would be reasonable, justifiable, and mitigating to the situation] but to protect myself," the officer wrote in a police report....

This idiot's report can be used like a shovel to bury his own ass.

309 posted on 01/09/2003 3:22:43 PM PST by HighWheeler
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I will page you from in here as opposed to doing a vanity, I am sure you will see it regardless.

I don't know about the rest of FR, but on the main "News/Activism" page, where all the thread replies are listed I keep seeing these HUGE, absolutely monstrous "message boxes" appear... Right at the top, above the thread titles.

Several of them have been quite lengthy, many paragraphs.. The last one contained this:

There was some stuff from "Greyfox" in there previously also.

Is FR broken by chance? Is this normal and if so can I SHUT IT OFF somehow? (cause it's really annoying)

Regards.

325 posted on 01/09/2003 4:14:29 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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Big brave police man.

No more money for cop charities from me. Let 'em invest in life insurance for their families.

333 posted on 01/09/2003 5:53:27 PM PST by PLMerite
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To: JohnHuang2
Could someone please list the home address of Officer Eric Hall?
338 posted on 01/09/2003 6:43:51 PM PST by Edmund Burke
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��5{�������� at the dog to get back, but it attempted to circle me to attack, so I felt that I had no option but to protect myself," the officer wrote in a police report.

Wow... I didn't know dogs are supposed to understand the command 'Get back'.

344 posted on 01/09/2003 7:06:05 PM PST by Frohickey
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If dogs could shoot back, cops wouldn't be so brave to shoot dogs.
351 posted on 01/09/2003 7:28:44 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: JohnHuang2
The knuckledragging cop-haters that swarm out whenever a thread like this gets posted drive me up a wall. I'm going to defend the cops in such a case because I cannot bear to yield an inch to asocial numbskulls who have neurotic or psychotic "issues" with law enforcement.

This was a very unfortunate incident, and it is easy to condemn the cop in hindsight. But there was simply no moral fault on the part of the police officers; they were responding as imperfect human beings might be expected to respond to a quickly-unfolding situation filled with unknowns. The death of this dog was no more the moral fault of the police officer than it would be the fault of, say, a driver who runs over a dog rather than swerving, losing of control, and placing his own physical safety at risk. If the choice is between injury to a human or the death of a dog, the human wins--except in PETA world.

Street experience teaches cops to be proactive--not to wait until they have absorbed the first surprise.

Of course the family did nothing wrong, either. And their dog was simply acting as a dog acts. No moral fault or any fault there. Dogs are protective--not particularly discerning. These characteristics make dogs valuable to armed criminals for the same reason they are valuable to a law-abiding families. That's too bad.

The family will understandably be angry and enraged but the cop has no reason to accept the rage and take it personally. He ought to express his sympathy and as a kind gesture offer to get them a new dog, but solely as a gesture of sorrow and kindness--not as an admission of fault.

This kind of incident produces gallons of anger and resentment but offers no legitimate bucket to place them in.

356 posted on 01/09/2003 7:54:57 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: JohnHuang2
Take the Cookeville Quality Survey

http://www.cookevillepolice.com/contact_us/quality_of_service.htm
359 posted on 01/09/2003 8:00:11 PM PST by lqcincinnatus
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Armed and dangerous--three carloads of shit for brains with blazing guns.

God help us when we face terrorists--not just the Griswolds.

Officer Lying Dogkiller needs to go to Johnson Prison.

389 posted on 01/09/2003 9:51:56 PM PST by PhilDragoo
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To: JohnHuang2
I had an untrained deputy sheriff knock me down and go for his gun when I went through a green light on my bicycle. He got reassigned to a different stop light after that.


There were at least two guns. What was the gun the other guy had? That wasn't an AK47, right? Did you see him on the video aim in the direction of the father? Is all that standard procedure?

Why did it take 4 shots of the shotgun to kill that dog? Are these guys good at what they do?

Sorry if the question has already been answered, I attempted to search this entire thread before posting.
427 posted on 01/10/2003 5:44:18 AM PST by Todd.Harvey ((Cookeville, TN. , a nice place to get coffee!))
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To: JohnHuang2
I believe this is the most astonishing thread I have yet seen on FR.

There are of course a few who simply hate police and will be against them no matter what. On the other hand it is beyond my comprehension at the number of, well, idiots, (sorry but no other word apllies) who think it is perfectly alright for a cop to kill a friendly dog who approaches him.

They also think it is just ducky to terrorise (maybe that is not even a strong enough word) a family with no real information to go on. Heck that type of conduct is reprehensible even if they knew the family was a bunch of terrorists.

Somewhere, somehow, the police have got to use just a little bit of common sense. This was obviously a family on a trip. I repeat: This was OBVIOUSLY a family on a trip. Sure the police should still use some caution because on some really rare occassion it might actually be armed felons.

Just how far this country has slid can be implied by the following fact: In ancient Rome, it was illegal to shackle a Roman Citizen for any reason. The Romans were not a bunch of Peta, Hippie Loving Flower children either. They did understand the concept of dignity tho. Apparently a whole lot better than a lot of people on FR do.

435 posted on 01/10/2003 6:42:33 AM PST by yarddog
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To: JohnHuang2
Go here to another story about this incident. At the very bottom of the page, you will see a link to a discussion about the shooting. Giving that the site is a local TN news source, this should be mostly 'locals' talking, who know what cops in the area are like-maybe even this particular cop.
446 posted on 01/10/2003 8:36:30 AM PST by kaylar
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