Amtrak passengers subdue armed man

Trainorders.com ^ | 1/6/03 | MELISSA TRESNER

[steveo]

....and don't call me Shirley

[meyer]

Gosh, were any of the subduers white guys? According to that fat, sniveling, greedy, hypcritical fool Michael Moore, only non-white guys are tough and willing to fight back. In London, over the holidays, Moore had the audacity to mock the victims of 9/11 who didn't overtake the hijackers of the first three planes. Moore said that because the victims were mostly white, they were obviously cowards. Of course, the stinky slob never mentioned the heroes of Flight 93 who were a definite mix of gender, races, etc. and led by a couple of WHITE GUYS because he was too busy being PC, SMUG and playing to his incredibly stupid fans who actually paid to listen to this sort of racist, intolerant, anti-American garbage.

MAN, I wish that fat slob would show up in the local watering hole and spout off his tripe...

[TomServo]

"The passengers did a fantastic job of restraining him"

Would read better as, "The passengers did a fantastic job of restraining killing him"

[Rebelbase]

Roger.

[KSCITYBOY]

Moore is a slobish dirt bag who can only dream of courage. The guy is a pig who's soul is empty and whose deepest love is for the next triple cheese burger. Homer Simpson is a God compared to Moore!

[GovernmentShrinker]

I think we really need to have a national "dialogue" on the whole issue of bail bond. When an individual has clearly, in front of many witnesses, engaged in violent, threatening, illegal behavior, there is no reason whatsoever for ANY level of bond to be set. Bond is appropriate only when there is a realistic possibility that the individual in custody will ultimately be found to be neither guilty nor dangerously insane. I have a law degree, but don't remember the subject of bond EVER being covered in any class, so I'm actually not sure where the legal basis for the whole thing lies -- historic common law? state statutes? Anybody know?

[waterstraat]

Stop immigration. Deport the illegals. End the H1-B visas. Have the US army guard the borders. Is that so hard to understand?

[Edmund Burke]

He was demanding (in Arabic) that the engineer take the train to Cuba.

[brityank]

I have a law degree, ...

Hope you didn't pay for it; if so, you were robbed.
Try the VIII Amendment.

[GovernmentShrinker]

"Excessive bail shall not be required" doesn't begin to address the question of when bail of any amount must be an option for the accused. I read it as meaning that when bail is set at all, it may not be set at levels that only the rich could come up with -- not as requiring bail setting as a matter of course. Obviously we have many cases where bail is denied completely on the basis that the accused is a "flight risk", even if the crime was non-violent (e.g. financial crime); it is also frequently denied for very violent criminals (but then again it often ISN'T). So I don't think the 8th Amendment accounts for the widespread practice of setting bail (often very low, as in this case) for people who are obviously guilty or dangerously insane.

[TaZ]

Well, since this guy made terroristic threats and we are in a so-called declared war on terror, I would say he waived his Constitutional rights when he said that "all Americans will die."

And if he was a foreign national, green card or not, he never had any Constitutional protections anyway.

No bail for terrorists!

[DAnconia55]

Well, since this guy made terroristic threats and we are in a so-called declared war on terror, I would say he waived his Constitutional rights when he said that "all Americans will die."

Hey, it's Texas. Based on that and carrying the knife, couldn't some passenger have liberated him from his head, legally?

[brityank]

Well, here's a start:

In medieval England, methods to insure the accused would appear for trial began as early as criminal trials themselves. Until the 13th century, however, the conditions under which a defendant could be detained before trial or released with guarantees that he would return were dictated by the local Sheriffs.x As the regional representative of the crown, the sheriff possessed sovereign authority to release or hold suspects. The sheriffs, in other words, could use any standard and weigh any factor in determining whether to admit a suspect to bail. This broad authority was not always judiciously administered. Some sheriffs exploited the bail system for their own gain. Accordingly, the absence of limits on the power of the sheriffs was stated as a major grievance leading to the Statute of Westminster.xi

The Statute of Westminster in 1275 eliminated the discretion of sheriffs with respect to which crimes would be bailable. Under the Statute, the bailable and non-bailable offenses were specifically listed.xii The sheriffs retained the authority to decide the amount of bail and to weigh all relevant factors to arrive at that amount. The Statute, however, was far from a universal right to bail. Not only were some offenses explicitly excluded from bail, but the statutes' restrictions were confined to the abuses of the sheriffs. The justices of the realm were exempt from its provisions.

History of Bail

Bail is to guarantee appearance in court, while granting latitude to provide for obtaining witnesses and testimony. There are a number of footnotes for you to pursue.

As for terrorist bail; cement shoes and a bucket in the Mariannas Fault, and they can work on their own bail. ;^)

[js1138]

Stupid White Man would have just soiled his drawers.

[Spruce]

I would have attacked this SOB with everything I had. The only talk of bail would be for me.

[mass55th]

Amtrak passengers subdue armed man

Gee, were they black?

[Xenalyte]

Homer Simpson is a God compared to Moore!

Compared to Michael Moore, Bart Simpson is a god.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

He was released on bail.