Posted on 01/07/2003 5:07:00 AM PST by AK2KX
Edited on 05/07/2004 7:12:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Most people leaving bars at 2:30 am in the morning and going to their own cars are drunk and subsequently commit DUI. It only takes two drinks to exceed the legal limit.
So the path you've chosen is to argue hypotheticals when the only fact in evidence is that she wasn't arrested. You've obviously come to a conclusion and won't let evidence get in your way. Fine by me, but don't confuse your argument with a logical one.
Cite? Or did you just make that up?
Like hell it does. Driving erratically after leaving a bar at that time does, but her actions were entirely consistent with what any bar employee or owner might reasonably be doing--simply getting ready to go home after closing.
In any event, a stranger coming up to my window unexpectedly in Detroit at that time of night is more likely to be a bad guy than a cop, especially if he's not wearing a cop uniform. I don't blame the cops for doing their job, but they need to think before scaring the crap out of someone who is not in the process of committing a crime.
I guess we should all be thankful that the cops didn't kill a family dog in this episode....
I'm sure there have been no more than a handful of such incidents, not your "many".
I'll stand by my remark that women frequently seek a pass from peace officers and whine for all manner of excuses to get away with things men would get thrown in jail for.
Hmm. Plainclothes police in an unmarked police car... In Detroit, for God's sake. This is one case in which resistance to the police seems to be justified. Cooperate with large men who only say they are police, and who are waving weapons, in the dead of night?
I don't care what they thought she was doing. Their radios work at the speed of light, and a marked uniformed unit is never too far away.
IF you haven't already seen this, then you ought to.
Six Killed in Texas Home Invasion; Police Say Assailants Looking for Drugs, Weapons
EDINBURG, Texas (AP) - Six men, including at least two brothers, were shot to death early Sunday in a home invasion by four or five intruders who were probably looking for weapons and drugs, authorities said.
The mother of two of the victims was tied up with electrical cord and forced to look at a wall as one of her sons was shot in another room, Sgt. Rey Ramirez said. The five other victims were found dead in a separate ramshackle house on the property.
Police Chief Quirino Munoz said there may have been two sets of brothers among the dead, some of whom were shot more than once. He said police would need another couple of days to identify all the victims.
Ramirez said no arrests had been made.
The woman, who freed herself after the intruders left and called police, told authorities one of them was wearing clothing with word "police" on it.
Ramirez said several incidents have been reported during the past year in which people identifying themselves as police have invaded the homes of suspected drug traffickers and stolen money and drugs, but no one had been killed in those cases.
BTW: wonderful name, great rifle. :-D
Bad!!
This has no bearing whatsoever on this case.
There is a total difference from a cop asking you for ID while you are in your car, and armed men bursting into your house. Apparently, you don't see it. Neither apparently did this woman.
The woman was voluntarily in Detroit, and obviously lived nearby. I'm sure she was used to whatever you feel is so scarry about it.
The cop was not waving a weapon at her. He asked for ID from a postion behind her window - standard operating procedure for cops. After she yells at him and doesn't produce ID, he comes in front of the window smells alcohol, and then she starts backing the car up. Bad move very likely to alarm any cop. He hits her in the head (something her parents apparently failed to do enough), opens her door and pulls her out of the car then, again, standard operating procedure, and cuffs one hand. She is violently resisting arrest at this point, and fails to produce her other hand. He used a pocket knife, not a machete, to cut her sleeve off so he could cuff her other hand, and manages to cut the finger tip off, since she has withdrawn the hand within her coat sleeve (its rather irrelevant if the coat overhung the hand, or if she moved it up, both agreed she was not producing her hand).
No weapon was waved around justifying any sort of fear on her part. Neither one of them alleges that.
In your fantasy world, the cop should have stepped back and allowed her to flee the scene intoxicated and very likely endanger the public by DWI and speeding away from him while he ran back to his car to radio for back-up that might have been quite far away (cops aren't always "just around the corner" - it can easily take 5 minutes or more to respond in a big city with a car from the precinct), and give pursuit. I suppose if said woman managed to whack a member of your family with her car while thus fleeing, you might see the situation a little differently though. Good thing she was the only one harmed that night.
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