[maro]

Please clarify. Are you a secessionist? As for the Confederate flag--wear it at home, boys and girls. It is the flag of a defeated nation that deserved to be defeated. There is nothing romantic about the lost cause. Slavery was evil; secession was illegal and treasonous. What would Jesus do? Wear a Confederate flag T-shirt? Get a clue; read the New Testament.

[catherine of alexandria]

Clarify what? The fact that I'm 100% Southern? That I am anti-Federal involvement in state's affairs? The SIMPLE fact was this: Things that are offensive to PC jerks who believe must be banned though they will NEVER be forgotten.

As for my insight on the War, sure, slavery was wrong, but the North trying to turn the South into their own slaves is just as wrong. Today we see the end result of what happened because "the defeated nation deserved to be defeated." Sure. 12 years of heavy-handed Federal control of 11 states and an irreparable tear on the Constitution.

[Polybius]

Slavery was evil; secession was illegal and treasonous. What would Jesus do? Wear a Confederate flag T-shirt?

Your view of History is rather simplistic.

U.S. Grant's wife, Julia, brought along one of her slaves on all of her visits to Grant's headquarters during the Civil War. When Julia was with Grant, their youngest son, Jesse, was in the charge of "black Julia," the slave that Julia had used since her girlhood.

By contrast, in 1858, Robert E. Lee wrote, "There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil."

The Civil War was not a simply matter of "slavery" vs "emancipation" although it was certainly that simple to some Southern planters and some Northern abolitionists. U.S. Grant, fought to save the Union and tolerated slavery in his own family and had one of the four family slaves in his own Union Headquarters. Robert E. Lee, fought to defend his native State from attack and personally detested slavery.

What would Jesus do? Maybe, as seen in Luke 7:1-10 and Matthew 8:5-13, he would see 19th Century Americans from both North and South as men of their time just as he saw the slave-owning Roman Centurian as a man of his time.

If you demand pure simplicity in your History and demand that a nation fighting a war be judged solely on the basis of it's recognition of slavery and what one of the belligerents considers "illegality" and "treason", then the next flag you would have to ban would be this one:

[ricpic]

...secession was illegal and treasonous.

Not so. There would not have been a USA if the constitution had included a clause banning secession. The original thirteen states, north and south, were far too jealous of their own sovereignty, to have entered into such a union.

If the South Carolina militia had not fired on Ft. Sumter, Congress would have had no legal authorization for declaring war.

The victory of the north in the Civil War definitively established the supremacy of the central government over the individual states, and thus, ended federalism as it had been understood by the founders.

[HELLRAISER II]

Slavery was evil? Yeah we can agree with that. Secession was illegal and treasonous? I don't know about that, I seem to recall reading that the English said the same thing about us when we rebelled but I don't hear anybody saying we're all treasonous but it's only because we kicked their @ss. Yes the South was defeated but that doesn't mean that we aren't proud of our Southern Heritage so we'll wear whatever we damn well please, thank you very much. Oh by the way Jesus is just as discriminated against as we are in our public schools, it's a damn travesty and it isn't sitting well with us.

[stainlessbanner]

What would Jesus do?

Read about St. Andrew and his relationship with Jesus and how he (Andrew) was crucified. Then read about the history of the CBF and St. Andrew - I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

[varina davis]

It is the flag of a defeated nation that deserved to be defeated. There is nothing romantic about the lost cause. Slavery was evil; secession was illegal and treasonous.

Wow! Are you ever history challenged.

[WhiskeyPapa]

Please clarify. Are you a secessionist? As for the Confederate flag--wear it at home, boys and girls. It is the flag of a defeated nation that deserved to be defeated. There is nothing romantic about the lost cause. Slavery was evil; secession was illegal and treasonous. What would Jesus do? Wear a Confederate flag T-shirt? Get a clue; read the New Testament.

Good points all.

Walt