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To: Teacher317
Yes, he's been doing all these things with weapons supplied by the U.S. I'm not saying he's a particularly pleasant man either (seems that amongst the intellectually stunted there is no rational view, you're either completely for or compeletely against something/someone), but what he is doing is no worse the Mugabe or various others throughout the world. As for his troops shooting at allied planes, well if you had foreign planes bombing your country (without U.N. approval) you might fire back too. Why the surprise there? The indignation regarding the violation of U.N. resolutions seems to be a tad selective as Israel have violated a ton of them too, but no mention of that. So when is it OK for a country to violate a U.N. resolution? If it happens to be called Israel? Now I'll get accused of bashing Israel regardless of the truth of what I write.

Sure let's remove him, but let's not pretend it's about his potential to use a WMDtm. North Korea seems to be a far bigger threat as they actually have WMDtms, but we're choosing to go the diplomatic route there. Yeah, the U.S. is not likely to pick a fight with someone who actually has nukes which is how we can be sure Iraq does not have them.

Given the fact we have been aleady lied to about alledged Iraqi aggression (the baby/incubator thing), I have trouble believing the remainder, eg. gassing Kurds, etc.

Hussein may be a whole bunch of things, but let's get a reality check on the real U.S. motives for wanting him out - oil and/or geo-strategical interests.

37 posted on 01/07/2003 9:29:35 AM PST by droberts
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To: droberts
Hussein may be a whole bunch of things, but let's get a reality check on the real U.S. motives for wanting him out - oil and/or geo-strategical interests.

Okay, now it's my turn to say it... simply SAYING that those are our "true" interests in Iraq doesn't make it so. Your turn to back it up with facts. Prove to us that it is monetary and military reasons, and not humanitarian reasons, that we might do this.

38 posted on 01/07/2003 9:43:52 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: droberts
what he is doing is no worse the Mugabe or various others throughout the world.

True, but his actions directly threaten US citizens, and our favorite protectorate, Israel. Also, Mugabe and the majority of other thugs don't have any realistic chance at nuclear weapon production. Therein lies the need to address him, first.

As for his troops shooting at allied planes, well if you had foreign planes bombing your country (without U.N. approval) you might fire back too. Why the surprise there? The indignation regarding the violation of U.N. resolutions seems to be a tad selective as Israel have violated a ton of them too, but no mention of that. So when is it OK for a country to violate a U.N. resolution? If it happens to be called Israel? Now I'll get accused of bashing Israel regardless of the truth of what I write.

Israel-basher. ;^) Okay, fine, leave the 'shooting at our planes' lines out of my list... there's still more than enough to justify our action.

Sure let's remove him, but let's not pretend it's about his potential to use a WMDtm. North Korea seems to be a far bigger threat as they actually have WMDtms, but we're choosing to go the diplomatic route there. Yeah, the U.S. is not likely to pick a fight with someone who actually has nukes which is how we can be sure Iraq does not have them.

It is BECAUSE they are more likely to use nukes (because they have them, and are actively telling us that they will use them), and BECAUSE they have the backing of China (one of only two nations that the US needs to fear and treat differently than the rest, because they are almost our military equal... the same reason we fought and won a COLD War against the Soviet Union, not a combat War). See the parallel? Nation with strong backing and/or nukes, NorthKorea, use diplomacy. Nation without strong backing, with nukes "merely" imminent, Iraq, use force quickly and decisively. It's not that difficult, unless you use the "well what about the other guy" arguments that every over-simplifying 13 year old uses. Yes, there are many criminally-violent leaders in the world, It isn't our job to get them all. It IS our job to get the ones who target US citizens (and our favorite protectorate, Israel), and to stop the ones who support those who target us.

Given the fact we have been aleady lied to about alledged Iraqi aggression (the baby/incubator thing), I have trouble believing the remainder, eg. gassing Kurds, etc.

Gee, so if one false rumor gets out, then every report is to be discounted, despite the fact that there are dozens of witnesses, thousands of photos, and physical evidence supporting it? You have the gall to refer to others as 'intellectually stunted' when you're so willfully ignorant as to ignore mass murder because someone falsely claimed, without evidence, that the mass murderer also broke a crib? Interesting.

39 posted on 01/07/2003 9:57:41 AM PST by Teacher317
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