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To: Hildy; Johnny Shear; APBaer
No problem, Ma'am. I hesitate to say "My Pleasure" because, unlike the fanatics infesting these threads, I take no pleasure at all in having to say these things.

I am a registered Republican, and have been since I could register. I have been a conservative as long as I can remember, and also an American patriot, though my stance on this issue causes quite a few to question all of the above.

Click my homepage, and you'll see why, at times, this pains me.

The fact is, the rhetoric coming from the prolife side consistently crosses all lines of decency and goodwill, and swerves, sometimes violently, into outright hate. The tactics and language used can hardly, at times, be distinguished from that of our sworn enemies, or from the Left.

There are some genuinely concerned and decent people who are prolife, and who genuinely care about children. Bless' em, they'd never THINK of using the stinking and blasphemous language used here, and the tactics used and supported by the fanatics (Shootings, bombings, arsons, oh, and let us not forget the ever-popular gore photos they love to show people and their children) would cause them to recoil.

By the same token, I've yet to meet ANYONE on the prochoice side outside of China who fits their "serial killer"/"butcher"/"hitman" labels. There are actual humans on both sides of this, not that any of the extremists that have hijacked the discussion at the command of their pulpit-pounding con men will ever acknowledge this.

I've met many women who have had abortions. Without exception, they counted it as the most heart-wrenching and saddest time of their lives. They were not evil, by any judgement of mine. They were human beings who had faced a difficult choice, and had done what they could with what they had. I am INCENSED when someone ascribes to them charecteristics best reserved for Serial Killers or Al Qeda members. It is simply not true, and the spirit which drives such vitriol is the same that drove witch-burners, inquisitors, the gestapo, the KGB, and the Terrs of today...a self-righteous, all-consuming absolute CERTAINTY that they are/were so RIGHT, so HOLY, that evil conducted by themselves was GOOD. Being blessed by a god OR by a government makes enjoying a good slaughter or hate-party a whole lot easier.

No matter, it must be opposed, lest it once again fly on bat-wings to the destruction of all.

Watch, now, as the myrmidons emerge and renew their "Holy War".

83 posted on 01/07/2003 6:18:58 PM PST by Long Cut
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To: Long Cut
Good morning,

I'm really on the outskirts of this debate and wish it would have stayed on topic,...the question... does abortion increase the risk of breast cancer? The NYT seems to think not, pro-lifers and some in the medical commnity say yes.

I think it is very unfourtunate that you have decided to resort to name calling of pro-lifers, that is a tactic of the liberals, it is used to shut conservitives up, not conservitives to end discussion with other conservitives. I'm not saying that there isn't name calling on the opposing viewpoint, but you are taking it to the extreme with the mullah omar crap.

While I'm pro-life, I do not go around threatning women who have had abortions with hell fire. I view the abortion providers as an industry (taxpayer subsidized) that is driven by profit and nothing else. Once you come to terms with the fact that abortion is an industry and it's main focus making money and not helping desprate women out of a bad situation, then you can begin to see the movement in it's proper prespective. My feeling is that someday it will be completly outlawed and people will wonder why it was allowed in the first place.But like slavery, it took 350 years, a huge war, and an amendment to the blasted constitution to end.

My opinion, like yours and everyone elses, is a nice thing to have, but if an opinion is based on false information or a lie, it is a bad opinion. The truth is the truth, no matter what opinion we have. I have second hand experience with abortion, I can tell you that it dramatically changes a womens ability to have the normal relationship (in marrage) that would otherwise be expected. This is the truth, and nobodys opinion is going to change that. If you get nothing else out of my little message, please get this, the issue about the increase risk of breast cancer is one of many negatives that the abortion industry sweeps under the rug and does not want to tell women before they have the procedure. It would be bad for buisness if they were honest and would open the industry up to legal liability if they did. The cigarette companies are being sued because they are said to know the risks of smoking and cover it up, in same fashon, the abortion industry know the risks (physical, medical, and emotional) and are pretending not to know, but the day will come when the trial lawyers will get on this gravey train and that will be the end of this experiment in convenience. Of course, if I'm correct, then the irony of my prediction would be that the abortion industries downfall will not come from the pro-life movement, but from within the court room.

If you were to take a little time and study the abolitionist movement in the 19th century, you will, over time, see the parallels between the modern pro-life movement and the abolitionist movement. Further study will reveal to you the political and economic heritage of both slavery and modern day abortion. Before you go crazy, think about this, slavery then, like abortion now was legal when it was practiced and had the protection of the law. There were many people in this country on the eve of the civil war that did not think fighting a war to end slavery was was a good thing to do.

You may find it interesting to read Abraham Lincon's famous speach to the NY coopers union. Read it with an open mind, substitute abortion with slavery and then re-evaluate your desire to be a conservitive and or a republican.My opinion, for what is worth (maybe nothing) is that conservitives are consistent in there views and liberals views are dependent on the convenience of the moment. That is how liberals claim constitutional protection of the right to choose (when there is no such constitutional guarantee)and for the most part embrace gun control in spite of the second amendment guarantee to keep and bear arms. I think you will find that pro choice people are that way for emotional reasons and there is little chance that facts such as medical negatives are going to change their views at this time in history.

Tom

84 posted on 01/08/2003 6:24:28 AM PST by fatboy
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