[Diverdogz]

If that were true, then believers wouldn't have moral lapses. But we both know they do. Even Mother Teresa struggled with her faith and all believers continually strive to make it stronger.

You get your personal stregth from your faith, while I get mine from knowing that I have to live with myself and the consequenses of my actions. My system works for me, I'm glad you have a system that works for you.

[RonF]

The fact that a person with faith can fall short is no more proof that their faith is wrong than the fact that an atheist can be immoral would mean that atheists cannot act morally. Every one struggles, faith or no. And having faith does not relieve one from having to live with the consequences of their actions on their own conscience and the persons and souls of other people. In fact, perhaps it even intensifies this, as an atheist wouldn't have to take into account any damage they do to someone's spiritual side.