To: NC Conservative
I'm agnostic and I have morals. I do what makes me happy. It makes me happy to help others, keep myself physically fit, earn my living and have others like me. If I lie, cheat and steal, I wouldn't like myself and others wouldn't like me, either - it would cause me to be unhappy. How about that, a system of morals - no god or gods necessary.
To: Diverdogz
Certainly it's a system of morals. But it's dependent on your continuing ability to reason correctly in the face of stress or unanticipated circumstances, and it's also dependent on your ability to place the welfare of others above your own when necessary. Human reason alone can build an imposing edifice, but it can also be on a foundation of sand. Faith in God gives you a basis in unchanging truths that give strong tools to face an ever-changing world. As an Episcopalian, I hold that faith is not a substitute for human reason, but a basis for it. Good luck to you.
19 posted on
01/03/2003 9:17:26 AM PST by
RonF
To: Diverdogz
I'm agnostic and I have morals. I do what makes me happy. It makes me happy to help others, keep myself physically fit, earn my living and have others like me. If I lie, cheat and steal, I wouldn't like myself and others wouldn't like me, either - it would cause me to be unhappy. How about that, a system of morals - no god or gods necessary.
That's just ducky for you you you you you you you ..... Now try passing that on through generations. That's a lot of what religion is good for. To teach morals to children.
Daddy daddy. What happens whey I die?-
-- Why they bury you six feet under sugar and the maggots eat you. That's the end of it for you!
75 posted on
01/03/2003 1:12:16 PM PST by
dennisw
To: Diverdogz
I'm agnostic and I have morals. I do what makes me happy. It makes me happy to help others, keep myself physically fit, earn my living and have others like me. If I lie, cheat and steal, I wouldn't like myself and others wouldn't like me, either - it would cause me to be unhappy.But how about the guy that lies, cheats and steals and the rest of the time sits in front of the TV set gourging himself on Twinkies? If he considers those to be moral things because it furthers his happiness, who is to say he's wrong?
In other words you like coffee and he likes tea. If there is no basis for morality then morals are what men decide they are.
To: Diverdogz
"How about that, a system of morals - no god or gods necessary."Yeah, well stud.......tell it to the Big "G" God, won't ya?
Straighten Him out. Go ahead. I'll watch.
To: Diverdogz
I'm agnostic and I have morals. I do what makes me happy. It makes me happy to help others, keep myself physically fit, earn my living and have others like me. If I lie, cheat and steal, I wouldn't like myself and others wouldn't like me, either - it would cause me to be unhappy. How about that, a system of morals - no god or gods necessary. Yes, diverdogz. But your morals are whatever you want them to be. Other agnostics and atheists can make up whatever morals they want. People who believe in God believe that true moral axioms exist outside of the human mind, and that they are provided to us by God. I for one would never want my children to think that they should just make up their moralities. Neither does Boy Scouts.
To: Diverdogz
Diverdogz says: "
I do what makes me happy...How about that, a system of morals - no god or gods necessary."
"It makes me happy", what an enlightened system to differentiate right from wrong, good from bad. Oh yeah, that should work real well!
--Boot Hill
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