IMHO, #222, #237, #249, and #278 are reasonable and open-minded, even if I don't agree with everything that is being said.
"All I see is more wiggling than a bait bucket."
That's to be expected...the WOSD is indefensible when looked at rationally, IMHO and yers. However, BW has mostly kept the debate civil and that is something that we don't always get the benefit of.
FReegards...MUD
OK. (But what do you think of "We are not really that without liberty, and maybe the very slight risk makes it a little more fun"?)