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DOCTORS SAY POSSIBLE WALKOUT IS NOT ABOUT GREED, BUT OUT-OF-CONTROL INSURANCE COSTS
AP Breaking News ^ | 01 January 2003 | Vicki Smith

Posted on 01/01/2003 6:49:29 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

WEIRTON, W.Va. (AP) - As he stood in a hallway at Weirton Medical Center, Dr. Jayapal Reddy was undecided about whether he would join a mass walkout to protest skyrocketing medical malpractice insurance premiums. But if he does join dozens of fellow surgeons in a strike starting Wednesday, he said it won't be because he is greedy. Reddy, who drives a Subaru with 110,000 miles, said with the rising insurance costs, he must earn $250,000 before seeing $1 in profit.

Reddy is one of dozens of surgeons at four northern West Virginia hospitals who may stop reporting for duty, forcing most elective and trauma surgeries to be diverted to hospitals in Ohio, Pennsylvania or Morgantown. Meanwhile in Pennsylvania, surgeons around the state backed off their threat to close their practices Wednesday just hours before they were scheduled to walk off the job. Strike plans were canceled after Gov.-elect Ed Rendell promised to fight for $220 million in aid for doctors this year. The aid offer is tentative one.

Rendell, a Democrat, doesn't take office for another three weeks and even though he still must persuade a Republican-controlled Legislature to accept his plan, there were signs that the offer had averted a large-scale work stoppage. "We are going to go back to work," said Margo Opsasnick, chief executive at Delta Medix, one of several Scranton surgical groups that had planned to close Jan. 1 because of high insurance costs.

"We are going to take Mr. Rendell's offer as one of good faith, and keep seeing patients," she said Tuesday. Other physician groups around the state followed suit. Scranton's biggest hospital, Community Medical Center, notified state officials Tuesday that its neurosurgeons had also agreed to keep working, avoiding a planned closure of northeast Pennsylvania's only trauma center. "It feels like a huge weight has been lifted off our shoulders," said hospital spokeswoman Jane Gaul.

No such relief came to surgeons in West Virginia. They said they wanted lawmakers to get their message that the state has created a hostile working environment, and doctors are ready to leave. "I'm under contractual obligation to this hospital until September," Reddy said. "I'm already looking around." Dr. Jeffrey Wilps and other surgeons met for more than an hour Tuesday with state insurance officials and concluded, "there's no quick fix to this." "They're just trying to pacify the physicians now. They don't realize it's come to an acute crisis situation," Wilps said. "West Virginia is chasing the doctors - and the businesses in general - out of the state."

Insurance and Retirement Services Director Tom Susman said he tried to head off the strike but found surgeons reluctant to wait for legislative solutions. He returned to Charleston to help the administration finalize contingency plans, which could include rotating doctors from other parts of the state. Lawmakers convene Jan. 8 in Charleston, but surgeons in Weirton said Susman asked them to postpone their walkout until Feb. 1, a delay several found unacceptable. "If we stay silent until Feb. 1, and nothing happens, then they pass us by for another year," said Dr. Samuel Licata, who plans to join the walkout by taking a leave of absence beginning Jan. 6.

Licata, a board-certified general surgeon for seven years, has seen his annual premiums soar from $18,000 to $58,000 without a single lawsuit filed against him. He said surgeons have three critical needs: affordable malpractice insurance; laws that make it harder to sue and cap damage awards; and a reduction in the provider tax, which charges doctors 2 percent of their gross income. "People don't understand. Yes, doctors do make a lot of money. But this isn't about us trying to make more money," Licata said. "It's about trying to keep our heads above water."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: docors; insurance; westvirginia
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To: Viva Le Dissention
This benefits everyone, and I see no reason why a reasonable jury should be stripped of its power to punish.


Then you'll agree that punitive damages should go to society, instead of the lion's share to trial lawyers, so as to benefit everyone.

BTW, who gets to judge what a reaonable jury is? Certainly not society. The lawyers judge that. Now, let's look at who picks the jury...the lawyers try to pick the best educated people for the jury, right? No, of course not. So maybe you will agree that a standard list of disqualificiations will be passed by law, and the jury pool will otherwise be constructed of the names of the people drawn right from the voter list,and we will start seeing more college graduates, professionals, and business owners on juries. OK with you, bud?
81 posted on 01/01/2003 10:41:00 PM PST by Jesse
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To: McGavin999
Hey, I agree, we need to bring some sense into this issue, and until people quit talking about tort reform and "loser pays" system, we just won't have any.

And by the way, there will always be doctors. The market will adjust. It always does, unless government gets in the way with things like tort reform.
82 posted on 01/01/2003 10:43:19 PM PST by Viva Le Dissention
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To: Jesse
Society in what sense, like some government related coffer that goes to the education of America's youth or some crap like that?

Frankly, I don't see any reason why punitive damages shouldn't go to the victim who was injured.

If you cap awards at actual damages or put punitive damages in some sort of slush fund, you are again punishing the victim. Attorneys have to get paid, and a case on contingency is 1/3 of a judgment. If an award is limited to actual damages, the injured party only receives 66.666% of his *actual* damages. Even if you want to argue that 1/3 is too much for compensation, the fact is that actual damages don't make a victim whole--they still come out the loser because of the costs of a trial. The law prevents juries to calculate attorneys fees when calculating damages.

In the end, punitive damages (which are rarely awarded, I might add), help fill that gap between what isn't provided by actual damages and what the actual costs to the victim are. The rest of the punitive damages is just a way of saying to the victim, "gee, you really got screwed. Here's a little something extra just to show how really sorry we are." I don't have a problem with that.

A standard list of disqualifications? I don't see how anything like that can be standardized; that just doesn't make sense. Each case is different and presents different little twists and turns that need to be evaluated as they arrive. As far as best educated people on the jury, those are the people that tend to think they know everything and are close minded; I sure don't want people like that serving on a jury. Sort of defeats the purpose of a fair trial. Besides that, it creates a bias in the jury room; the least educated people are more likely to agree with the most educated people, and there is again a problem with that whole fair trial thing.
83 posted on 01/01/2003 10:53:09 PM PST by Viva Le Dissention
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To: Doc On The Bay
TANSTAAFL!!

LOL! Did you go to Harding?

84 posted on 01/02/2003 6:31:50 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: Viva Le Dissention
"Besides all of this, most outlandish jury verdicts are reversed on appeal anyway, which basically defeates the purpose of tort reform; judicial review quashes the awards which are disproportionate, and keeps the awards that are appropriate. Taking each case on its merits is a much better way to proceed, don't you think?"

All well and good. Unless the structure of these arrangements is being systematically abused by one party to the social compact.

Whatever happened to the light plane industry, anyway...???

85 posted on 01/02/2003 7:20:20 AM PST by okie01
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To: Viva Le Dissention
Loser pays is a very important part of any reform. It would force lawyers (who are SUPPOSED to know the law) to reasonably assess the merits of a lawsuit before it's brought. The way it is now, most any lawyer can be found to bring a suit regardless of merit and chances are will win enough in a settlement to cover their costs. Many companies will settle even when they know they are not at fault because the legal costs to fight a case are so high. IMHO, it's nothing more than a welfare scam for lawyers.
86 posted on 01/02/2003 8:01:45 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: templar
Happens fairly often and most legal firms have lots of malpractice insurance.

Give three specific cases. We have some sorry lawyers around here and I've never heard of one being sued for malpractice. In fact, it's impossible to get one lawyer to talk about suing another.

87 posted on 01/02/2003 8:33:05 AM PST by lonestar
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To: FreePaul
If we really want to put the lawyers out of business we should encourage the government to take over the payment for legal services. They have been successful in putting doctors out of business why not lawyers.

What a great idea. Let's start a movement to socialize the legal system. Why should only the rich be able to afford a good lawyer? Don't we all have a legal right to good representation regardless of our ability to pay? Conservative commentators should challenge liberals with this regularly. If socialized medicine is a good thing, then why not socialized justice? Some ambititious idiot liberal will take up the cause creating the perfect wedge issue. The trial lawyers would go beserk.

88 posted on 01/02/2003 8:48:20 AM PST by Pres Raygun
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To: lonestar
Give three specific cases.

Stone v. Satriana, 41 P.3d 705 (Colo. 02/25/2002)
Roberts v. Holland & Hart, 857 P.2d 492 (Colo.App. 01/28/1993)
Smith v. Mehaffy, 30 P.3d 727 (Colo.App. 11/09/2000)

These are just three that are Appellate decisions in Colorado. There are many, many actions that do not make it to published appellate judgments. I usually don't bother with any thing except appellate judgments as they do not become (for the most part) case law. I didn't sort these out as to who won or lost since you only asked for three specific cases involving legal malpractice.

We have some sorry lawyers around here and I've never heard of one being sued for malpractice.

What State are you in and maybe I can find a few cases from your State? Or Federal cases? If you have some specific action in mind, maybe I could find a few that might be related to your situation (but it could take time since I would have to read the whole decision to try to figure it out and I don't have much time to spend in a law library). For your interest only, of course, not for legal advice.

89 posted on 01/02/2003 9:08:58 AM PST by templar
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To: Pres Raygun
Why should only the rich be able to afford a good lawyer?

You probably haven't considered this but: The confiscation of the money and property, without any charges or convictions, that is used in the WOD is intended to deprive the defendant (alleged drug dealer/posessor) of competant legal representation by forcing him to rely on public defenders and bottom of the barrel attorneys. Socializing the legal system could, potentially, destroy this very valuable weapon in the War on Drugs.

90 posted on 01/02/2003 9:16:05 AM PST by templar
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
a bump for free enterprise
91 posted on 01/02/2003 9:19:25 AM PST by Bill Davis FR
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
I wish some prosecutor would charge the TLA under RICO
92 posted on 01/02/2003 9:34:23 AM PST by ko_kyi
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To: baseballmom
Quitting practice is not abandonment in the legal sense...I can hardly believe that threat was tried. All that is required is notice from a doctor that he's leaving practice, and the notice to the patient to pick up his records. Another irony is that the docs who can get no insurance at all are required by the hospital contracts to carry insurance. Neat little catch 22.

If your surgeons in PA go, the ERs will quickly follow suit because the staff in the ERs don't want to face catastrophes without surgical backup.

93 posted on 01/02/2003 3:57:32 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Viva Le Dissention
In this utopia of necessary and worthwhile litigation you describe, how are those heroic malpractice lawyers going to eat if you put the docs out of the business of paying premiums? Your golden goose won't be putting out the eggs much longer. Drive carefully. If there are no surgeons, surviving even a moderately injurious accident will be tricky. Arguments suture no lacerations.
94 posted on 01/02/2003 4:05:22 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: templar
Well, given that I haven't been to law school in some walkdown basement, I'll try again to communicate as if I have.

You said that "loser pays" would be useless because the plaintiff's lawyer who loses makes no money if he loses, anyway. So why bother? That was very, very cute.

The point is, (as if you didn't know, and butter wouldn't melt in your mouth) a defendant abused by this lawyer can take his expenses (and maybe something more punative!) out of the plaintiff's hide. Or try to take it out of the Gamblin' Man atty. The plaintiff's lawyer would then know that maybe he risks more than his time when he engages in his courtroom extortion.

Lawyers want everyone to cry over plaintiffs only when the defendants are able to pay, and pretend to have the great big hearts full of compassion. Find some poor injured person with no deep pockets to pick, and the lawyers could care less.

I know of a little girl who wanted to explain her situation to a judge (you know, one of those lawyers in evening black). The law clearly stated she had a say in her custody, and she waited months for her chance. Judge forbid her to speak, threatened her with foster care if she persisted. Now her grades are tanked, she's run away once, and has to face Mommy's Boyfriends. Interested in her case? Afraid there's no one to sue. The judge is protected by LAW from civil action, thanks to the legislative foresight of many lawyers seeing to his protection.

So type that on your keyboard and engage it.

95 posted on 01/02/2003 4:35:57 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
I miss your Specifc "Reference," but my "Heinlein" Reference Stands! Doc
96 posted on 01/02/2003 5:39:48 PM PST by Doc On The Bay
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To: Mamzelle; templar; clintonh8r; Viva Le Dissention
Not sure why this is SO frequently overlooked, but we DO have a "loser pays" system in many jurisdictions. They are called "offer of judgment" statutes. Under these statutes, a defending party can serve an offer to pay what it considers the reasonable value of the damages. If the plaintiff does not recover within 25% of the offered damages, then plaintiff must pay defendant's attorney fees and costs from the date of the offer.

Another version of "loser pays" are frivolous pleading sanctions.

Lawyers are just the canaries in the coal mine, verdict wise. Remember, juries award verdicts.

97 posted on 01/02/2003 6:07:42 PM PST by Boatlawyer
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To: Mamzelle
You said that "loser pays" would be useless because the plaintiff's lawyer who loses makes no money if he loses, anyway. So why bother? That was very, very cute.

Actually, those are your words, not mine. You said that in this post, not I.
But ... this isn't true? Why not? Do you understand what taking a case on contingency means to the attorney?

The point is, (as if you didn't know, and butter wouldn't melt in your mouth) a defendant abused by this lawyer can take his expenses (and maybe something more punative!) out of the plaintiff's hide.

I'm assuming that you mean legally, not physically (which would put you in jail and give that losing plaintiff a real shot at punitive damages in a suit under any system).

To begin with, the defendant isn't being "abused" by the lawyer. He is being "abused" by the plaintiff. The attorney is simply presenting the plaintiffs case. The attorney representing this plaintiff is required to provide competant representation and what you are calling 'abuse' may be that representation. An attorney who does not do this and causes the client substantial legal damage by failing to do so, may end up being sanctioined by the BAR or Courts and involved in a malpractice suit as well.
Go back to the post you originated from (#30) and read where I said "A plaintiff that loses makes nothing in damage awards. An indigent plaintif that loses under the current system will get nothing. An indigent plaintiff that loses under a loser pays system will still get nothong and, being indigent, will pay nothing. You, of course, will probably be required to post twenty or thirty thousand up front to bring a justified suit. Are you, or the indigent, more likely to sufer consequences of loser pays?" (paragraph three). Do you not understand this? Let me try to explain it: You are financially well off and get sued for a million dollars. In the end after a hundred grand in legal costs you win. The plaintif against whom you win has a net worth of about 30,000 and it is all in vehicles or property that falls below the value that can be liqidated for bankruptcy (check the laws in your state to find out what the various actual values are. Sometimes they are quite high, sometimes not). You try to sieze his salary (assuming he has one) and he just delcares bankruptcy. So ... How gonna collect? And how is this 'loser pays' system any different for you than the current system?
the only ones that will suffer the loss of right to seek remedy in court are the working class people who are financially and personally responsible. Not the indigent or welfare type that claim they are too fat because you sold them fattening food. Not the greedy going out looking for someone to rob. Not the vengeful out to hurt someone they hate or disagree with (these types usually aren't personally or financially responsible people). Just you, the person who has been wronged and has a great and just case but no 20 or 30 thousand to lay down up front. You are going to have to learn to just bend over and take it because you won't be able to afford to do anything about it.

Or try to take it out of the Gamblin' Man atty. The plaintiff's lawyer would then know that maybe he risks more than his time when he engages in his courtroom extortion.

You could possibly do this in rare instances where you could prove both maliciousness and ethical violation on the part of the attorney (not the plaintiff). But you can do that now. The outcome is so unlikely to be in your favor that you would have to be indigent (free legal help) or have enough money that you didn't mind losing it to make a point. This is like going after a state prosecutor for mailcious prosecution ... possible but not likely to succed. And, of course, when you lost you would also be responsible for the legal fees of your opponent under loser pays. How is this an improvementover the current system?

Interested in her case?

Yes, I am! Could you please cite the case? Possibly post the pertinent transcripts? I would be interested in reading it. Why no Guardian ad litem in this case? and why no appeal? And, BTW, there are often no protections for a judge against maliciousness, like prosecutors. And, if what you say is accurate, there are usually other sanctions that can be sought that are worse for the judge than a suit.

98 posted on 01/02/2003 6:15:57 PM PST by templar
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To: Boatlawyer
Another version of "loser pays" are frivolous pleading sanctions

A frequent downfall of well meaning Freeper types. One thing to guard against at all costs, if filing a lawsuit which is then declared frivolous. And frivolous doesn't always mean what people think it means.

99 posted on 01/02/2003 6:19:18 PM PST by templar
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To: templar
A frequent downfall of well meaning Freeper types.

Not sure what you mean here, but I would try the o/j route before I'd count on recovery for frivolous pleading.

One thing to guard against at all costs, if filing a lawsuit which is then declared frivolous. And frivolous doesn't always mean what people think it means.

Many Florida judges are taking a very broad view of what frivolous means. If freepers think they're annoyed at the lame cases that actually make the papers, they should think about how ornery judges get from having their dockets filled with bogus disputes. The system has some powerful built in protections in the form of annoyed judges.

100 posted on 01/02/2003 6:31:10 PM PST by Boatlawyer
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