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To: titanmike
Your buddy Jay's reconstructions lack the occiptal bun and "simian muzzle" of most Neanderthal reconstructions which are based upon actual skulls. If a guy named medved didn't used to make the same posts (your 50 and 58) all the time until he was banned, I'd be surprised that you would post these very human-looking pictures while claiming that Neanderthals represented a halfway point between chimps and humans.

The genetic studies so far have been based on mtDNA, which is almost purely matrilineal and probably not a good enough molecular clock for the purpose. (A nuclear DNA study would be nice, if a good-enough specimen is ever found.) Also, as this survey article indicates, the anatomical differences are far more pronounced in Europe than they are elsewhere, especially the Near East. There thus may have been a local "species gap" that didn't exist everywhere at once. The situation would have resembled modern ring species in birds and salamanders.

62 posted on 01/01/2003 8:56:58 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Also, as this survey article indicates, the anatomical differences are far more pronounced in Europe than they are elsewhere, especially the Near East. There thus may have been a local "species gap" that didn't exist everywhere at once.

I think most scientists agree that at some point you have to have been able to interbreed with something to have been descended from it. The curious total lack of any evidence of interbreeding between modern humans and neanderthals is most problematical precisely in the levant in which moderns and neanderthals are known to have existed in close proximity for long periods of time and you'd figure interbreeding should have been very common IF it was possible.

James Shreeve's 1995 Discover Magazine article on the topic is apparently now being used in university courses in paleontology. You can get to the article by going to Discover Magazine's Search Page, clicking the Archive Search Engine, and searching on "Neanderthal Peace" for the year 1995.

68 posted on 01/01/2003 10:05:27 AM PST by titanmike
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