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China launches fourth unmanned spacecraft
Spacedaily ^ | Dec 29, 2002

Posted on 12/29/2002 1:56:43 PM PST by NP-INCOMPLETE

SPACE WIRE
China launches fourth unmanned spacecraft
JIUQUAN, China (AFP) Dec 29, 2002
China early Monday successfully launched its fourth unmanned spacecraft, the "Shenzhou IV", from the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center in northwest Gansu province, state media reported.

The official Xinhua news agency said the spacecraft was sent into a preset orbit by a "Long MarchII F" carrier rocket, which blasted off at 00:40 am (1640 GMT Sunday).

Space scientists at the Beijing Aerospace Command and Control Center said the "Shenzhou IV" successfully entered its preset orbit.

Su Shuangning, commander and leading designer of the astronaut system for China's manned space program, said Chinese astronauts, all of whom were airforce fighter pilots, had entered the spacecraft to receive training for the first time.

The launch of the "Shenzhou IV," or "Divine Vessel IV" is considered the latest dress rehearsal for China's eventual launch of a manned spacecraft.

Gu Yidong, commander and chief designer of the space application system, said a number of scientific experiments would be conducted while the spacecraft remained in space, including some involving the astronaut flight system, control of the spacecraft environment and life support sub-system.

While it remains decades behind the United States and Russia in space technology, the Chinese Communist Party appears to view putting an astronaut amongst the stars as an important prestige project. The launch came during a visit to China by German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder.

In May, official Chinese media said a longer-term aim of China's fiercely ambitious space program was to establish a base on the moon in order to exploit its mineral resources.

Compared with the previous three unmanned space capsules launched between 1999 and March this year, Shenzhou IV "represents China's most sophisticated and fullest preparations to finalizing its goal of manned space flights," official media quoted Chinese Aerospace Science and Technology Corp. president Zhang Qingwei as saying last month.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; shenzhou; space

1 posted on 12/29/2002 1:56:43 PM PST by NP-INCOMPLETE
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To: NP-INCOMPLETE
Let’s all give Bill Clinton and his administration a roaring round of applause for this great achievement.

NOT

2 posted on 12/29/2002 2:12:11 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: Pontiac
At some point, I'm sure that they must be figuring out some of this stuff for themselves. I mean, you can only fail so many times, then there is this little thing called improvment.
3 posted on 12/29/2002 2:15:40 PM PST by NP-INCOMPLETE
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To: NP-INCOMPLETE
Looks like the Chicom's ICBMs are becoming more accurate. Thank you i42, 97, Bernie, algore and the dnc. A$$holes.

5.56mm

4 posted on 12/29/2002 2:17:17 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: NP-INCOMPLETE
Oh I understand that, however it certainly is a great help when you can get some of the experts from the top of the game companies in satellite manufacture and launch vehicles to come in and do a little free consulting and show you where you are making mistakes.

And for those companies it’s nice to know you have a President who is bought and paid for, to let you off the hook for breaking the laws dealing with technology transfers to restricted countries.

5 posted on 12/29/2002 2:38:17 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: Pontiac
I do trade with Bejing and Shanghai. Forget Clinton. They are now all run by Harvard and Stanford MBA's. The old guard is dying off. If you want to worry, worry about North Korea and the Islamic fundamental-cases.
6 posted on 12/29/2002 5:17:07 PM PST by World-traveler
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To: NP-INCOMPLETE
What?!? No mention of "Uncle Bernie" Schwartz?!?!?
7 posted on 12/29/2002 5:20:17 PM PST by GeneD
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To: M Kehoe
Sorry, didn't see your post. Anyway, I call him "Uncle Bernie" because this cheesily avuncular guy showed every other week on "Lollipop Lou" Dobbs's CNN toadyfest boasting about how wonderfully the aerospace biz was going, and by gum if he didn't appear like your friendly neighborhood doc dispensing advice on how to Make America Great! What's good for Loral is good for -- uh, me.

Another reason not to miss the Nineties.

8 posted on 12/29/2002 5:31:33 PM PST by GeneD
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To: World-traveler; Pontiac; NP-INCOMPLETE
<< ....

I do trade with Peking and Shanghai. Forget Clinton .... >>

Bullshit -- and more than Half a Trillion Dollars worth of stolen, exported, sold and criminally-transfered American technology we will!

I live a few miles from the communist chinese border and have traded with "china." 95% of whose slaves live in medieval squalor, for more than 35 years.

Further, I can and will bet my life that the treasonous transfers enabled and facilitated by the criminal enterprises fronted by Cli'ton [Who was known in Peking, where he was and still is universally despised, as "Our man in Washington"] advanced; by at least fifty years; the very-poor-Xerox-copy making abilities of the psychopathological Peking-based pack of invading, conquering, colonizing, enslaving, lying, looting, thieving, mass-murdering gangster bastards that calls itself "china!"

Our Beloved FRaternal Republic and the very Judeo-Christian ["Human," that is] Civilization that we Vanguard will be paying for Cli'ton's treason for many many decades to come.
9 posted on 12/29/2002 6:45:36 PM PST by Brian Allen
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To: World-traveler; Brian Allen; tet68
They are now all run by Harvard and Stanford MBA's. The old guard is dying off.

Does this mean that they are any less totalitarian or any less brutal or any less corupt.

And from what I have heard lately the Chinese the students in college now have anti-American sentiments and are on the large confirmed communist.

10 posted on 12/30/2002 12:34:07 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: Pontiac
<< the Chinese the students in college now have anti-American sentiments and are on the large confirmed communist. >>

The universally-Hesperophobic "chinese" in our colleges and univerities -- and also, by the way, [For just one example] in our Top Secret National-Security-Sensitive Labs [Witness the traitor, Lee Wen Ho] -- have only one characteristic in common.

To a man, evey last one of them pathologically hates the United States of America and would accept a thousand Tienanmen Square Massacres before giving up on the "chinese" delusion of superiority and that serfdom's equally-delusional, morbid ambition to dominate the world.

11 posted on 12/30/2002 2:05:37 PM PST by Brian Allen
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To: World-traveler; Pontiac; NP-INCOMPLETE; M Kehoe; Brian Allen
I do trade with Bejing and Shanghai. Forget Clinton. They are now all run by Harvard and Stanford MBA's. The old guard is dying off. If you want to worry, worry about North Korea and the Islamic fundamental-cases. ---World-Traveler

You actually have a good point there, and one that most people are missing.

The Chinese paradigm is one that flies against all orthodox theory! For one it is not purely communist! The Chinese have managed to meld communist ideology with Capitalist pragmatism .....which is why the Chinese economy is growing at a frenetic pace. Yet for some reason many people think the Chinese economy is a purely centrally-controlled/communist system when it is not! China is basically the only nation that has managed to delve into the tricky area of merging communism and capitalism, and made it work to a great extent.

And as for the current generation in China i believe the bode the greatest threat to the US. And i do not mean militarily!

This year alone there were more Chinese graduates in the hard sciences and math than all the graduates from US universities (by all i mean ranging from Art to Zoology). People think that China is a threat only because low-level jobs flee there, but in the next couple of years you will see high-level/tech jobs heading East .....and this is due to some major cost advantages that even surpass those in India (think of a Chinese graduate who is extremely well versed in tech, yet works for a pitance and does not complain).

That is the major impetus behind American companies heading to china is droves (i saw a documentary that showed just how far this has progressed, and to be honest with you it was crazy).

And then there are people like Jack Welch who was saying that China stands to be a serious competitor to the US (his exact words were that 'the Chinese will make what the Japanese were in the 70s and early 80s seem like a Water Pistol'). And then there are the projections of China becoming a superpower around 2030.

In essence certain protocols need to be applied right now in the US or else the Chinese might become an amazingly potent threat (economically expecially). The current business doctrine in the US is one that has become risk averse, where all decisions are meant to decrease any and all risk! That is not the usual US doctrine (it used to be decisions that although gutsy are well thought out ....nowadays it is more like reduce all risk).

The Chinese (like the Japanese in the 70s) are extremely adept at copying and cloning tech ....meaning they can ape almost anything! However unlike the Japanese the Chinese are not interested in becoming 'American' ....meaning they are willing to take the best of American-style capitalism yet keep some vestiges of old-style communist centralization! That may be bad for the average Chinese, but it serves as a major boost to the Chinese economy (imagine Harvard MBA graduates worth 300,000 being paid 10,000 a year; and a prime engineer who is worth his weight in gold being paid next to nothing ....and yet both those guys work diligently. There is a huge cost advantage there).

What it reminds me of is those aliens in Star Trek ....the Borgs ....who work systematically and efficiently, yet demand nothing.

And while all this is going on people are focussing on what Clinton did! Clinton was a fool for giving China that tech (eg the nuke miniturization and advanced targeting), and consequently some of the stuff he did was tantamount to treason (actually in my book it is treason)! However just focussing on that is not going to be of any help!

Focus on US schools! Schools that have atrophied into a mess reminiscent of a cesspool! And i know, i am in college and the only viable competition i have is from foreign students! The real threat is not Chinese stealing stealth fighter tech (they did) .....btu the real threat is that what makes America great (people who are full of zeal and patriotism, and who love freedom, and who believe in hard work) is being eroded! Look at the public high schools! Go to the colleges where the kids are mis-educated, apathetic, and cannot even speak straight let alone think for themselves (i had to organize a music band in my college to get the kids to vote Republican during the mid-term elections because they were so nonchalant about politics only a rock-group would make them come ...and what was really ironic is i myself am not even American)!

This is troublesome, and something needs to be done because there will be a time when todays brainwashed apathetic kids become tomorrows adults! And that will be about the same time China is supposedly supposed to become a super-power ...and i do not think that is an optimal mix (at least for the free world).

The Chinese think in the long-term, and they have lingering visions of the great 'middle empire.' They believe there destiny is global hegemony ....and unless some changes are done their dream may become a reality.

12 posted on 12/30/2002 6:51:34 PM PST by spetznaz
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To: Brian Allen
I did not make myself clear via a vis Clinton. He should have been hanged for high trason, and left to rot in public disgrace in the village square. Clinton's 8 years cost us more than sensitive technology. It cost us a strong degree of credibility around the world.
13 posted on 12/31/2002 8:46:06 AM PST by World-traveler
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To: Pontiac
"the Chinese the students in college now have anti-American sentiments and are on the large confirmed communist."

Truthfully, there are some Chinese students who are still Communist leaning.However, they are being gobbled up slowly but surely by the entreprneurial-type student.

14 posted on 12/31/2002 8:50:26 AM PST by World-traveler
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To: World-traveler
Truthfully, there are some Chinese students who are still Communist leaning.However, they are being gobbled up slowly but surely by the entreprneurial-type student.

The Chinese and the Vietnamese are both looking for prosperity of economic freedom without the insecurity of political freedom. Sure, you can get rich, but that doesn't mean the secret police won't disappear you in the middle of the night when a party apparatchik gets a little too envious of your prosperity.

Ultimately, that model is unstable. The corrupt and power-mad will always butcher the golden goose. Heck, look at what politicians here are willing to do to hold on to power.

15 posted on 12/31/2002 9:01:28 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: spetznaz
"The real threat is not Chinese stealing stealth fighter tech (they did) .....btu the real threat is that what makes America great (people who are full of zeal and patriotism, and who love freedom, and who believe in hard work) is being eroded!"<>
Very well stated. You have wisdom beyond your years.
16 posted on 12/31/2002 9:08:47 AM PST by World-traveler
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To: spetznaz
"Look at the public high schools"........We allowed this to happen, and it is up to us(conservatives) to destroy the teachers unions.
17 posted on 12/31/2002 9:12:47 AM PST by World-traveler
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To: hopespringseternal
"The Chinese and the Vietnamese are both looking for prosperity of economic freedom without the insecurity of political freedom. Sure, you can get rich, but that doesn't mean the secret police won't disappear you in the middle of the night when a party apparatchik gets a little too envious of your prosperity."

Ah, there's the rub!! All we can hope for, is that the new entrepreneurs in China and elsewhere have the guts to remove the old guard. And that America avoids electing another Clinton. He and his wife have been Communist sympathizers since college days.

18 posted on 12/31/2002 9:21:02 AM PST by World-traveler
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