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New guidelines for wetlands replacement adopted
SJ Mercury News ^ | 12/26/02 | AP

Posted on 12/26/2002 6:40:12 PM PST by NormsRevenge

Edited on 04/13/2004 3:30:05 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Bush administration adopted a new plan and guidelines today for replacing swamps and bogs that have been filled or drained to make way for highway, housing or other projects.

Administration officials said their approach, based on input from six agencies, will not diminish the role of wetlands in providing habitat to wildlife, flood control and water quality.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: adopted; enviralists; epa; gao; guidelines; nas; replacement; usace; wetlands
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1 posted on 12/26/2002 6:40:12 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Wetlands are marshy, swampy or boggy areas that filter and cleanse drinking water, retain flood waters, harbor fish and shellfish and support other wildlife, such as by providing stopping points for migratory birds.

Their destruction contributes to flooding, pollution runoff into streams and rivers and loss of important habitat for fish and wildlife.

This is true, as a conservative and a sportsman I want to see the enviroment protected, But I am becoming a little uneasy with the way the bush admin. is handling the issue.

2 posted on 12/26/2002 6:59:40 PM PST by thepitts
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To: thepitts
Don't worry, these regulations only apply to the little people. You know, the ones without lots of money to hire a lawyer.

The way things are going, pretty soon the interns will be wearing kneepads again.
3 posted on 12/26/2002 7:09:58 PM PST by Crusader21stCentury
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To: thepitts
This is true, as a conservative and a sportsman I want to see the enviroment protected, But I am becoming a little uneasy with the way the bush admin. is handling the issue.

There's a better way:

http://www.naturalprocess.net/
4 posted on 12/26/2002 7:12:31 PM PST by bigfootbob
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To: *Enviralists; madfly
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list
5 posted on 12/26/2002 7:23:52 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: bigfootbob
representing neither of the polar opposites of the environmental debate.

I can relate to that.

6 posted on 12/27/2002 2:12:57 AM PST by thepitts
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To: thepitts
"The President's approach is in response to a report by the National Acadamy of Science".

In every situation, science by NAS will be superior to that done by a federal agency.

7 posted on 12/27/2002 7:26:49 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Free the USA; Carry_Okie; backhoe; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Libertarianize the GOP; freefly; 2sheep; ...
ping
8 posted on 12/27/2002 2:33:18 PM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
bump
9 posted on 12/27/2002 3:44:21 PM PST by Free the USA
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To: Ben Ficklin
In every situation, science by NAS will be superior to that done by a federal agency.

That isn't saying very much.

10 posted on 12/27/2002 7:50:21 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
Klamath Falls wouldn`t have happened if the NAS had been involved from the get go. Real science is fair, out come based science isn`t.
11 posted on 12/27/2002 10:05:41 PM PST by bybybill
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To: bybybill
Klamath Falls wouldn`t have happened if the NAS had been involved from the get go. Real science is fair, out come based science isn`t.

I have my doubts the Dr. Moyle will be that fair, although there is no doubt that he will be better than his FWS predecessor (who is off in Utah screwing the owners of rangeland grazing rights on BLM land). Unfortunately, Dr. Moyle or one of his fans has scrubbed many of his writings off the web, so I can't cite them to you now, and I didn't copy them when I had the chance. I sure wish the FR archives were searchable because I posted them there during the original word that Moyle would head the panel.

The man can be more than a bit shrill and unlikely to be purely objective. You over-estimate the NAS.

12 posted on 12/27/2002 10:40:07 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: bybybill
Found it!
13 posted on 12/27/2002 10:52:15 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
Policy has to based on some source that is credible. While your estimation of NAS comes from one direction, the NAS's findings on Klamath are being challenged bty the enviros.

Being in the middle is a terrible place to be.

14 posted on 12/28/2002 6:54:36 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin; Jeff Head; snopercod; AuntB; sauropod; SierraWasp
Policy has to based on some source that is credible.

It's this process that isn't credible.

While your estimation of NAS comes from one direction, the NAS's findings on Klamath are being challenged bty the enviros.

My estimation? It's Moyle who has betrayed his own bias. The activist thugs will always sue because that's their job and you know it. So why are you assuming that the solution is found compromising with extortion artists? This was never about fish, plants, or animals; it's about money. Best you learn that.

Every single "stakeholder" in this mess is skewing their data in to benefit their case. Even if the NAS were purely objective (which they're not), how are they to know what's credible information? These decisions are necessarily unreliable simply because of the motivational architecture under which the players operate.

Ben, truth isn't necessarily found in the middle, nor is it an art of compromise. The NAS has no more business making policy decisions than the RICOnuts do, because optimizing the sheer number of competing risks in a an ecosystem is beyond human capability when utilizing a hierarchical decision-making system, even on a purely ecological basis. By the time they follow NEPA and take cultural and economic risks into consideration... OOPS! They're unqualified for that; need more scientists. How many years is that going to take?

Ben, I want you to imagine how huge every environmental decision would get if they really followed every step to its logical conclusion under the law and if it could ever be afforded. Then I want you to consider how long each such decision would take and how much damage the inaction would induce.

It's the system that's the problem, Ben. It's broken. Worse, it's not even the one we were given under the Constitution.

Socialism is less capable of running the environment than it is running the economy. It's going to take decades to learn how to use a free-market system, but until we do this kind of paralysis is going to get worse. Best we get started.

15 posted on 12/28/2002 9:30:44 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Grampa Dave; bybybill
See above.
16 posted on 12/28/2002 9:33:25 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
Good response.

Is your home still dry and not in danger of polluting the ocean by making an unplanned trip down river?

We will probably have flooding in our upper river areas today when high tide starts to impede the down streamwater flow.

So far we have escaped the storm that was supposed to have hit last night and this morning.

Tubebender has sent me freepmails about the massive amounts of rain that Eureka and the Redwood Empire area has had in just 24 hours. Sounds like our storm that we had the week before Christmas.

Stay safe!
17 posted on 12/28/2002 9:39:57 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
We're fine. Only about four inches out of this one.
18 posted on 12/28/2002 9:47:43 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
Good!

So much for the Drought Nazis, when we are happy about only getting 4 inches of rain in one storm.

The drought Nazis were getting geared up in our county to declare a drought, raise the price of water and be in our kitchens and baths when we dared to use any water.

Now they are back in their cubby hole praying for the next drought!
19 posted on 12/28/2002 10:01:47 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
So much for the Drought Nazis, when we are happy about only getting 4 inches of rain in one storm.

They'll just change t-shirts.

The drought Nazis were getting geared up in our county to declare a drought, raise the price of water and be in our kitchens and baths when we dared to use any water.

Yup.

Now they are back in their cubby hole praying for the next drought!

Nope. They're scrounging in the closet for their "El Nino is Global Warming" t-shirts.

El Nino!
Global Warming!!
GIVE US YOUR CAR!!!

20 posted on 12/28/2002 10:07:48 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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