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I'm pretty sure Goren isn't pro-life. I remember an episode where his partner asked him point blank, and he gave some vauge answer about he doesn't like it personally, but sometimes its nesessary and he understands that it has to be there. (Sort of like the mario cuomo answer). I do remember the first law and orders, Greevy was a solid pro-lifer who was also socially conservative on other issues too. Ben Stone came across as somone who was pro-life but had to do his job. The thing that got alot of african americans riled up on criminal intent was 2 episodes, one Goren basically insults Carver when Carver forced him to use force to get somone (it was ripped from the headlines episode about pardons) and another episode where Goren lies to Carver and makes him look bad (don't know which episode that was). On another note, you ever notice how when its a political thing involving real life dems, they change it to republicans? Example would be the pardons, were done by Clinton, in the episode it was changed to the NYS governor. They also had one where the politician kills somone (they made him a conservative) and gets off.

As much as I like Jerry Ohrbach, my favorite character on L&O remains the original protagonist, Det. Max McGreevey, as played by George Dzundza. Do you know why Dzundza left the show after only one season? I thought it was because he had a fantasy he could become a movie star, and so Dick Wolf killed him off, but I could be wrong. (Dzundza then co-starred with Demi Moore -- who was then on her way up -- in a total flopperoo fantasy called The Butcher's Wife.)

Found this at a L&O fan site:

3.4 WHATEVER HAPPENED TO... [WARNING!! SPOILER-HEAVY SECTION]

3.4.1 ...George Dzundza (Sgt. Max Greevey)? George Dzundza quit the show after its first season over a dispute with the writers and producers over scheduling and script quality. The series was originally set to film in Los Angeles, but when Dick Wolf won his fight to shoot it in New York, Dzundza did not want to relocate his family there, and thus had to divide his time between the two locations. This argument reached a breaking point when the producers threatened to sue him if Dzundza interrupted shooting to be with his wife at the birth of their child. Dzundza's actual last appearance is in "The Blue Wall," though his character, Greevey, makes a shadowy appearance in the second season opener, "Confession" through the magic of doubles.

Sgt. Max Greevey's first appearance was in "Prescription for Death." In his final episode, he was shot to death in the second season opener, "Confession," by Daniel Madigan, Jr., who wanted to silence his grand jury testimony on construction industry corruption.

I'm pretty sure Goren isn't pro-life.

The fact that he didn't want to talk about it and that when forced he spoke about options sounded to me that he himself is pro-life but understands that legally it gets more complicated. That's pro-life in my opinion.

The thing that got alot of african americans riled up on criminal intent was 2 episodes, one Goren basically insults Carver when Carver forced him to use force to get somone (it was ripped from the headlines episode about pardons)

In that one, Goren was mad that Carver was the one forcing his hand by making him go back on his word instead of vice versa. Not only is Goren used to pulling the strings of everyone around him, but his word is his bond.

and another episode where Goren lies to Carver and makes him look bad (don't know which episode that was).

In that episode, a laywer employee of Carver's was trying to frame his wife for his murder. Goren found that out and had to lie to Carver about it so Carver wouldn't spill the beans to his employee. He didn't purposely make Carver look bad. Neither of those episodes were racist, just full of conflict between the different aims of cops and lawyers. McCoy and Brisco don't get along any better over on the original series, and they're both old white guys.

On another note, you ever notice how when its a political thing involving real life dems, they change it to republicans? Example would be the pardons, were done by Clinton, in the episode it was changed to the NYS governor.

Honestly, I'm not sure if the mayor is Republican in the fictional New York that the Law and Order shows exist in. In that pardons episode, Carver voted for the mayor, while Goren and the captain didn't. Seeing as how Carver is a black guy, Goren and the captain are white males, and Goren is ex-army, you could infer that the mayor was a Democrat based on typical voting trends.

They also had one where the politician kills somone (they made him a conservative) and gets off.

Didn't see that one.