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I agree but I think I just stumbled onto a way to debate the creationists.

First get them to tell you how old the Earth and the Universe is.

If they say they universe is 6000 years old. Then ask them if they have ever looked in a telescope. If they have, they can see further back in time than 6000 years actually just looking into the sky itself allows them to see further back than that. Since you can see no God out in the Universe creating the suns that are 6000 light years away then that particular mythology is either a lie or their God Lies to its creation by creating a universe whose physical laws do not coorespond with observed phenomenon. That God isn't the Christian God as he is suppossed to be the God of truth so we suggest a God that is prone to tell lies to its creation such as that Islamic God :)

If they say they universe is 6000 years old.

Well, there is the crux of their argument. THEY say the universe is 6k years old. God did not say such.

You may have already seen this, but in case you haven't (or in case some others haven't), here's the best description I've read of the "Appearance of Age" problem for Creationists:

http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/appearance_of_age.htm