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Get Lucky; Is The Wall Street Journal's editorial page written by James Bond villains?
The New Republic ^ | December 17, 2002 | Jonathan Chait

Posted on 12/22/2002 12:22:53 PM PST by Torie

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To: Torie
Approximately 4% of Doctors are black. Do you know what the number is in the legal profession?
81 posted on 12/22/2002 2:47:28 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
I am not sure what your point is, but if it is to mitigate paranoia through quotas, count me out.
82 posted on 12/22/2002 2:49:05 PM PST by Torie
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To: jwalsh07
Probably about the same I would suspect, maybe a tad less.
83 posted on 12/22/2002 2:53:51 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
Not at all, I'm trying to understand your singling out the legal profession.

I could be convinced that the remedy you suggest in the legal profession for the past treatment of black Americans is just but I'm unconvinced that it should apply only to the legal profession.

Perhaps we should drop it. The topic seems to have become the first through the fifth rails.

84 posted on 12/22/2002 2:53:54 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Torie
One would hope that this rather procative piece from the Left will provoke more thoughtful responses than Bandwidth wasting bon mots.

But then I am fairly liberal on tax policy matters. The richer should pay more.

Maybe we could start with Mark Rich, the billionaire who was pardoned by Bill Clinton for $250 million in tax evasion. And no, my friend, a specific, concrete example does not fall under the categorization of 'bon mot.' It's not a matter of my opinion as to whether Mr. Rich (what an ironic name!) was liberated by Mr. Clinton for this amount of tax evasion. He actually done did it. It really happened. Reality is what separates the facts from the bandwidth-wasting bon mots.

. . . Maybe we could also pass federal laws requiring companies to show citizens what they actually pay in taxes. For example, Social Security and withholding taxes are itemized on my paycheck for only 50% of the amount actually paid. The other fifty percent is paid by the company which employees me, yet even though it appears on their budget as a cost of hiring people, I don't see it itemized on my paycheck . . . it appears the government is getting away with taxation without visible representation.

Perhaps also landlords should be required to show what proportion of their rent goes to pay property taxes. That would be interesting. I wonder if fewer urban-dwelling poor people would be so enthusiastic about supporting a civic 'convention center' if they knew that they were each going to end up paying hundreds of dollars for the construction out of their rent check.

Corporate and business taxes also get passed onto consumers in the form of higher prices. Perhaps there should be an accounting there as well. If 'corporate tax' really translates into 'taxing rich and poor at the same rate through higher product prices,' then it doesn't seem quite as egalitarian a policy as Tom Daschle and Teddy Kennaquidick would have it to be.

I agree, the poor pay a lot of taxes. As one of the working poor, I would like to see liberals explain why their emphatic shouting for 'tax the rich' in practice ultimately and invariably means secretly taxing the poor and middle classes, while limosine liberals seem to always grow richer and richer.

No poor people running the New York Times, hmmmmm? (Or is that a 'bon mot?' Well, better bon than mal, I always say!)

85 posted on 12/22/2002 2:54:16 PM PST by 537 Votes
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To: jwalsh07
My argument has nothing to do with past treatment. In general, I think that argument is bogus, as a lodestar for public policy.
86 posted on 12/22/2002 2:55:18 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
But Chait and Krugman are right on social security privitization.

What issues are you not a liberal on? How can you defend forcing people to "invest" into a system that will pay them a zero percent return?

87 posted on 12/22/2002 2:58:31 PM PST by Rodney King
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To: Torie
My argument has nothing to do with past treatment.

OK. You proposed a remedy and apparently I missed the basis for the remedy. Can you elucidate?

88 posted on 12/22/2002 2:59:26 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
It is about a community with a clear and distinctive consanguinuity having its share of effective advocates in the public square, and adjacent square, to promote its interests. It is in order to bring vitality to the pluralist vision. I refer you to the black caucus as exhibit "A". It is short on talent, and I am not talking about ideology here. It needs more.
89 posted on 12/22/2002 3:05:49 PM PST by Torie
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To: Rodney King
Vouchers, defense, war, welfare, free speech, religion in the public square, and gender PC are a few that come to mind. Granted, the list on the other side is almost as long. Your factual assertion on SS is incorrect. Please revert to the thread in which I participated on that. Granted the return is better if you make less, rather than more, but in all events it is positive, even after adjusting for inflation.
90 posted on 12/22/2002 3:09:37 PM PST by Torie
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To: Rodney King
Oh, and I forgot tort reform. That is a biggie.
91 posted on 12/22/2002 3:13:36 PM PST by Torie
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To: Rodney King
And I am also dubious at keeping the old alive at any price with government dollars to the cost of the young. Add that one to the list.
92 posted on 12/22/2002 3:15:19 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
California is facing a 35 Billion dollar dedicit which equals 45% of the spending budget. One reason is the preponderance of the taxes are paid by the wealthy few and when they took a hit the tax paying base was too narrow and revenue plunged.
93 posted on 12/22/2002 3:20:53 PM PST by tubebender
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To: Torie
One doesn't want to kill the goose the lays the golden eggs.

This is true ... but if they keep turning up the heat, however gradually, the goose will eventually be cooked.

94 posted on 12/22/2002 3:34:21 PM PST by bimbo
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To: section9
... rubles mysteriously appeared out of nowhere.

Of course ... a certain amount of Black Market activity will become ligitimate when taxes are lowered.

95 posted on 12/22/2002 3:48:38 PM PST by bimbo
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To: ClearCase_guy
Actually, as I explain to people.
To a Republican - a million dollars is rich

To a Democrat - anyone with a job
96 posted on 12/22/2002 3:54:01 PM PST by packrat35
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To: SupplySider
I am not rich either, but I favor much lower tax rates for those who are. The truly rich invest a large percentage of their assets. I think those investments will do more for me in the long run than federal government "investments".

I was listening to Bob Brinker this afternoon. Bob thought it would be more effective to give tax cuts to us working stiffs. He didn't think giving the filthy rich a tax cut would do much to get the economy going. The rich would just put new radars on their yachts. Well, the radar makers and radar installers would be happy. The sea lanes might be a little safer.

97 posted on 12/22/2002 4:43:25 PM PST by EVO X
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To: Torie
To address all of the comments so far at once, the richer should pay a higher percentage of their income than the poorer because they can afford it.

Might as well base a Tax structure on height and weight, that is as fair as what you prescribe.

How does "They can afford it" work? Who is the judge?

Do they get the same services as the "poor", i.e. Food stamps, Pell Grants, W.I.C., Earned Income Tax Credit, Fannie Mae et al?

If I can use your explanation, then the "Rich" should get 10 votes to every "Poor" person's 1 vote, since the Rich pay an unreasonable percentage more...after all, they can "afford it", right?

Perhaps that is the answer, to keep the "poor" from being able to vote to pick the "Rich's" pockets at will.

Someone mentioned envy. I am afraid that shot rather misses the mark.

Is "Guilt" a closer shot to the mark, then?

98 posted on 12/22/2002 5:03:25 PM PST by Itzlzha
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To: SupplySider
I get so annoyed over the way that term "progressive" is misused by leftist demagogues.

Of course, since the Commies are now calling themselves "Progressives," they're starting to become consistent when they call the income tax "progressive."

Now if we can henceforth refrain from using word "progressive" in any of its older, positive connotations, we may eventually get people to hear it as a political curse word.

Something like that has already happened with the terms "Socialst" and "Communist." The collectivists, the mass killers, can continue to scurry under the latest high-sounding appellation, but if we remain vigilant we will eventually flush them out, every time.

99 posted on 12/22/2002 6:09:14 PM PST by Erasmus
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To: Torie
And I am also dubious at keeping the old alive at any price with government dollars to the cost of the young. Add that one to the list.

That, it would seem to me, would be a good reason to keep government out of the health insurance business.

100 posted on 12/22/2002 6:33:02 PM PST by meyer
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