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I don't know the answers to all of your questions, but the research I posted shows that at HCA hospitals and facilities they perform abortions. As the largest for-profit hospital chain in the country, this is important information to have. Also posted was the fact that at one of their facilities infamous Dr. Tiller of late-term abortion fame is the medical director. I suggest you read his website, it'll scare you. We need to pray for a conversion of his heart, because his actions are downright evil.

Dear Gophack,

"I don't know the answers to all of your questions, but the research I posted shows that at HCA hospitals and facilities they perform abortions."

I'm sorry, but I haven't found anything adequate in your links, yet. From one link there is this:

"Like other conservative mutual funds, the Timothy Plan screens out questionable companies based on their products, services or employment policies. The fund's list of do-not-buy businesses approaches 400. They include Time Warner (publishes pornography), Dayton Hudson (supports Planned Parenthood), Columbia HCA Healthcare Corporation (performs abortions), Pharmacia Corporation (makes abortion medications) and Rick's Cabaret International (runs a chain of strip bars)."

That just doesn't cut it. I want some documentation.

And I want context.

1. Most abortions are performed at free-standing clinics, and HCA apparently owns none of those.

2. When an abortion is botched, the woman procuring the abortion must be transferred to a hospital, in order to save her life. At that point, the baby is likely dead or beyond saving. If the hospital completes the abortion, does that count as "performing abortions"?

3. Individual doctors with their own practices are granted privileges at hospitals. They operate on their clients in the hospitals at which they have privileges. The doctor is not employed by the hospital. By having privileges, he has the right to access to the hospital's operating rooms. Does this count as "performing abortions"? What if HCA is administering a public hospital (not an unusual circumstance)? What if the public policy, not set by HCA, is that the hospital must grant privileges to abortionists?

4. I found one link to a hospital that was recently spun off from HCA. Its website made reference to the fact that they will continue to abide by the court order REQUIRING the hospital to perform abortions. If HCA is under court order to permit abortions in some of their hospitals, does that count as "performing abortions"?

5. In a link that I have already provided, the ACLU criticizes HCA for voluntarily entering into "no abortion here" agreements with private hospitals with which it enters into partnerships. Please reconcile that criticism with the accusation.

As to Dr. Tiller, he is vermin. But his website indicates that he is medical director of his own privately-held baby murder facility, with a minor link to the HCA facility.

I'm open-minded that HCA may be voluntarily initiating the murder of babies in some or many of its facilities. But I need to see some evidence.

You haven't shown any, yet. Just accusations by others.

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Also posted was the fact that at one of their facilities infamous Dr. Tiller of late-term abortion fame is the medical director.

As I previously stated, his website says he is the medical director of Women's Health Care clinic, which performs late-term abortions. And that he also teaches at the University of Kansas Medical School/ HCA Wesley Hospital.

I suggest you read his website, it'll scare you. We need to pray for a conversion of his heart, because his actions are downright evil.

Oh, his clinic's site is hair-raising. It even has a page or two for ELECTIVE third-trimester abortions, and a real interesting discussion of "viability" (namely that they'll abort past the point of it).

"Also posted was the fact that at one of their facilities infamous Dr. Tiller of late-term abortion fame is the medical director. I suggest you read his website, it'll scare you."

First of all, I would not believe anything on Tiller's site.

Second, I believe what my mother has told me regarding Tiller and hospitals here in Wichita. Several years ago Wesley was the only hospital that Tiller could practice at, but the Wesley stopped allowing him to practice there also.

Third, I went to the Wesley website and they listed each Medical Director according to department and Tiller was not included anywhere, then I searched Wesley site for the name George Tiller and there were no results found. Surely if he was a Medical Director they would have him on their site since one of the main functions of a Medical Director is PR.

I will ask dad when I see him this weekend since he is still involved with Kansans For Life, he will know if Tiller is back in good with Wesley, but I don't think so, because I think HCA was the reason he lost his ability to practice at Wesley.