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FAA proposal could level playing field in long-haul flying
The Seattle Times ^ | 12/17/02 | David Bowermaster

Posted on 12/17/2002 1:11:48 PM PST by zingzang

By David Bowermaster Seattle Times aerospace reporter

One of the few perceived weaknesses of the Boeing 777 relative to its Airbus competition could be eliminated if the federal government adopts a proposal made yesterday to extend rules governing long-haul operations of twin-engine jets to three- and four-engine aircraft.

Such a policy shift by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) would force the four-engine Airbus A340 and the Boeing 747 to meet the same safety requirements as the twin-engine 777.

Such a leveling of the regulatory playing field could help Boeing extend the 777's already considerable sales lead over the A340, particularly in the hotly contested Asian market.

Boeing has sold 615 777s since it launched the program in 1990, while Airbus has sold 323 A340s since 1987.

Airbus has long insisted the A340 is more reliable, more affordable and safer than the 777.

FAA rules requiring 777s and other twin-engine jets to remain within 207 minutes of airfields where they could land in the event of an engine failure tacitly supported Airbus' position, even though independent reliability studies indicated the 777 was less prone to in-flight diversions and engine failures than the A340.

At the Farnborough Air Show outside London last July, Airbus posted large billboards that read, "4 Engines 4 Long Haul." The ads angered Boeing executives because they hearkened back to a blunter 1999 Airbus campaign that pictured an A340 flying over water with no land in sight.

"It's always reassuring to have the redundancy option of four engines rather than two. Especially when you're a long, long, long way from home," the ads read.

Airbus may need to change its marketing pitches if the FAA adopts the recommendations of the extended range twin-operations (ETOPS) working group.

"The biggest advantage to Boeing (of the new proposed regulations) is one of perception," said Chet Ekstrand, vice president of regulatory affairs at Boeing. "In making these recommendations, a widespread industry-government team has fundamentally said, 'We've reached the point where twin- and four-engine airplanes are equal, and we ought to treat them as such.' "

Besides limiting how far twin-engine jets can stray from airfields as they fly over the poles or across oceans, ETOPS rules mandate strict maintenance regimes, extra reserve fuel and additional cargo-fire-suppression equipment.

A Boeing spokesman estimated the requirements add $1 million to the price of a 777.

The 232-page report released yesterday by the FAA noted that three- and four-engine jets traveling long distances have been exempt from such additional safety rules "since the air carrier jet era began."

After 30 months of work, the group concluded it is in the flying public's best interest to extend those rules to all long-range commercial aircraft.

"The (working group) proposal adds requirements that would ensure the continued safety of those flights in functional areas that are not dependent upon the number of engines on the airplane," the report stated.

Richard Aboulafia, an aviation-industry consultant with the Teal Group, said the exemplary safety record of the 777 has assuaged most airline executives' concerns about using a twin-engine jet on their longest routes.

But a leveling of the regulatory playing field would still give Boeing a lift.

"We've gone well over a decade with ETOPS generally taken for granted," Aboulafia said, "but I'm sure there are vestigial doubts in certain airline executives' minds. ... Any lingering doubts you can remove enhance the 777's sales prospects."

Any changes will be a long time coming. The FAA will now do a cost-benefit assessment of the proposed changes and, if it decides to move forward with the recommendations, issue a notice of proposed rule-making and hold public hearings.

Boeing estimates it would be roughly two years before any new rules would take effect.

David Bowermaster: 206-464-2724 or dbowermaster@seattletimes.com.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 747; 777; a340; a380; airbus; boeing; faa

1 posted on 12/17/2002 1:11:48 PM PST by zingzang
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To: zingzang
Do the tails fall off 777's?

Perhaps the FAA ought to adopt a rule: the tail must not fall off as a result of wake turbulance from another aircraft.

--Boris

2 posted on 12/17/2002 1:27:45 PM PST by boris
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To: zingzang
Three & 1/2 hours is within range of numerous potential landing sites almost anywhere in the north-Pacific.
3 posted on 12/17/2002 1:28:10 PM PST by onedoug
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To: zingzang
"FAA rules requiring 777s and other twin-engine jets to remain within 207 minutes of airfields where they could land in the event of an engine failure tacitly supported Airbus' position, even though independent reliability studies indicated the 777 was less prone to in-flight diversions and engine failures than the A340."

These rules have nothing to do with the general reliability or safety of the units, rather with the number of engines remaining available to perform should the unit experience an engine failure.

B777 = 2 engines
A340 = 4 engines

The transoceanic flight safety rules also restrict all Airbus twins similarly....

4 posted on 12/17/2002 1:28:59 PM PST by azhenfud
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To: azhenfud
So does this ruling, if/when it takes affect, help Boeing compete on a more "level playing field" with Airbus?
5 posted on 12/17/2002 1:44:12 PM PST by zingzang
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To: zingzang
It would help B777 sales, but potentially weaken B747 (and A340). Since more carriers are looking to the ETOPS twins for reduced R&M and less fuel costs, raising the standards on the 3 & 4 bangers won't necessarily result in more sales - just increased costs for the latter.

I'm wondering if Boeing isn't gearing up to end production of the 747's if they are indeed in favor of this revision....
6 posted on 12/17/2002 1:55:22 PM PST by azhenfud
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To: zingzang
So does this ruling, if/when it takes affect, help Boeing compete on a more "level playing field" with Airbus?

Because twin jets consume less fuel than three or four. The 777 has lower operating cost per trip than an Airbus 340. The A340s will have to add more equipment that the 777s already have making them cost more to buy. They would a have to use the same maintenance procedures the 777s already are using increasing the cost of maintenance. They have twice as many engines to maintain further driving up costs. Airbus does not have a twin engined plane to compete with the 777 on long range ETOPS routes.

7 posted on 12/17/2002 2:00:42 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: azhenfud
I'm wondering if Boeing isn't gearing up to end production of the 747's if they are indeed in favor of this revision....

Possibly. Also, it could make the A380 less appealing.

8 posted on 12/17/2002 2:01:55 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative
I'd really hate to see the end of the 747's. They are/were awesome - especially the new 400 series....
9 posted on 12/17/2002 2:04:49 PM PST by azhenfud
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