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To: FormerLib
Actually, they pushed a trait, just as an environment would. They created an environment unfreindly to untamed animals, those that were tamable were able to reproduce, those that were not, did not.

The environment around a creature will do the same thing. if it gets colder, those with warmer furs will survive to reproduce, if it gets warmer, those with less fur will reproduce. Climate changes are NOT sudden, this would give the animals PLENTY of time to evolve to the changing environment that they lived in.

Intelligence is NOT necessary for changes to take place, environmental changes are all that is necessary.

In order to experiment, the experiment MUST be controlled, or the answers will not be at all reliable.

This experiment indeed shows that when a trait is pushed, it will reproduce and those with that trait will survive.

Evolution, on a very small controlled scale, but it IS evolution.
28 posted on 12/16/2002 9:48:41 PM PST by Aric2000
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To: Aric2000; TigerLikesRooster
Actually, they pushed a trait...

In an intelligently directed manner, yes.

...just as an environment would.

Really? Can you prove that?

They created an environment unfreindly to untamed animals, those that were tamable were able to reproduce, those that were not, did not.

Actually, that's not correct. Those that seemed tameable were intelligently selected and then their offspring were monitored. Can you point to the part of the article that deals with how those not selected were treated?

No, you cannot. You made assumptions about them.

The environment around a creature will do the same thing. if it gets colder, those with warmer furs will survive to reproduce, if it gets warmer, those with less fur will reproduce. Climate changes are NOT sudden, this would give the animals PLENTY of time to evolve to the changing environment that they lived in.

Yes, animals will adapt to changing conditions. They do not change into other animals, however.

Intelligence is NOT necessary for changes to take place, environmental changes are all that is necessary.

That was not proved in this experiment, which included intelligent intervention and selection. Unless you are suggesting that Balyaev and his lab assistants were without intellience?

Evolution, on a very small controlled scale, but it IS evolution.

Not even close. The effects of intelligent selection on breeding were shown here. Nothing more.

33 posted on 12/16/2002 9:59:14 PM PST by FormerLib
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To: Aric2000
Actually one could argue that the more intellegent a creature the less evolution will have a hold on it, because the creature is able to alter it's environment to suit it rather then be altered to suit the environment.

It's interesting that people who believe in an all powerful God are so afraid of science. Science is the handmaiden of religion. If God trully created the world and it functions according to His Will, then all science does is explain how He created the world to work.

91 posted on 12/18/2002 7:28:57 AM PST by Stavka2
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