Replies

WHat is FALSE, however (such as identifying the Pope as the "whore of Babylon" has NO RIGHTS.

Sorry, but that's moral law 101--and the above-mentioned persuasions ALL hold that to be true.

Hold what? That I am not permitted to utter or write the words "The Roman Church is the Whore of Babylon?" You'll have to do more than assert such to make it so.

Besides, I think you are mixing apples and oranges: What is untrue is not right morally, but under our Constitutional system, men (like you, for instance) are free to think and utter religious creeds that may be wrong. Besides, truth is an abstract quality. Abstract qualities to not have rights. Individual free men have rights.

I perceive that you would gladly limit the rights of those with whom you disagree on matters of religion to speak their minds. That is not a noble position.

If I am not free to type that the Roman Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon, then, whoops, I've lost my religious liberties.

What you declare to be false, I may declare to be true. We are each free to declare our doctrinal beliefs. (That bothers you, I know.)

Here you go again, this time against ninenot. No one is claiming that you do not have every right to make a fool of yourself in public. I have previously asked you to specify one post, just one measly post, in which I have EVER suggested that Protestants be denied the right of Free Speech, Free Press, Association or Worship OR admit that you lied in saying I was trying to deny any of those rights to you. Several days have passed. I have repeatedly brought this to your attention. Understandably, you are avoiding an answer.

You are an ex-Catholic attacking the Church in which your parents had the sense to have you baptized. We are not uncomfortable over your publicizing of the foolishness that you hold as belief according to YOPIOS. We are very confortable that you embarass yourself and those who agree with you. You have every right to make a spectacle of yourself. As a practical matter, it helps us in our work.

Why, Vatican II committed Catholics to DEFEND the rights of error (that would be you and others like you). Of course, we are not about to defend ERROR itself. We did not have to say that we defend the rights of TRUTH because we have been defending that since Jesus Christ chose Peter. The defense and propagation of Truth has alwats been central to the mission of Holy Mother the Church.

Ninenot is a Catholic. Ergo, he is not wrong.

under our Constitutional system, men (like you, for instance) are free to think and utter religious creeds that may be wrong. Besides, truth is an abstract quality. Abstract qualities to not have rights. Individual free men have rights.

Well, under the Constitution, falsehoods ARE limited--slanders, libels, etc. But you are correct insofar as you may hold any religious belief you choose, ALMOST without regard for its grounding in truth.

And, BTW, you seem to have forgotten the self-identification Christ uttered: I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

He wasn't talking through his hat. The Word is Truth--very much a Person, not abstract in the least.

Now here's something interesting: the word "commandments" is NOT a translation of the Hebrew term used to describe the Decalogue. In fact, the Hebrew word means "way."

The Commandments are "the way."

Thus, Christ self-identifies Himself as the Commandments (which is why He could summarize them into only two great commands) and further fully equates Life, Truth, and Way (commands.)

Then He founded a Church to which you refer as "the whore."

I dunno; it would give me pause--maybe you should think twice about it.