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To: Havoc
But the debate tactic of slandering rather than discussing facts is standardized among some of his ilk

Regarding the "Pope ordered coverup" story, the facts have been extensively discussed already, on this site. The evidence does not prove the claim, or even begin to prove it.

I don't know whether the story is rooted in bigotry or incompetence, and it doesn't matter (much). We've presented our facts, your claims to the contrary notwithstanding.

271 posted on 12/20/2002 9:06:30 AM PST by Campion
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To: Campion
I don't know whether the story is rooted in bigotry or incompetence, and it doesn't matter (much).

Hey, I made a passing remark after reading the article. My comment here goes to the standard approach many of you apologists have to everything. One only needs go to a thread where some of the better informed are talking with the usual suspects of the Catholic apologist persuasion. You guys invoke a claim, and at the first sign of a fact that invalidates the claim, the epithets fly - "bigot, anti-catholic, heretic......" long and infamous list of bile that pours forth because the facts generally are always either against you or are not with you. If you guys could back up your claims perhaps the continual smear campaign against those who betray the emptiness of your claims would not be needed. Given that you guys continually use the liberal tactics as a duck and run move and Given you're supposed to be above such things as 'christians' one wonders why it is one of your primary modes of argumentation.

This is no secret to anyone. I just retired from such an argument within this past week. Faced with facts, the claims of your church coulnd't stand and it quickly degenerated. Questions are answered with diversion. Character and intelligence are impugned.. you name it. The only place where such apologists differ from liberals is that when it becomes so blatent that everyone on the sidelines have their eyes opened wide to it, the apologists don't invoke the all telling "now I don't think we should be pointing fingers on either side." Not that the attacks cease persay, at that point your side usually clams up if it hasn't run off to another topic for cover. You'll note, I don't say All catholics do this and I specifically limit it to many of the hardcore apologists and attack artists.

So please, do tell us about bigotry and slander. Your practices are shouting so loudly I can barely hear your protest to consider it as to credibility. God forbid you should need me to defend you on something where you deserve defending (as I have defended Catholics repeatedly to no credit - not that I'm keeping score) and I should ignore your protests as just the standard form of argumentation on your side. I like to defend truth. I don't find letting truth fade because of boys that constantly cry wolf to be a good thing.

282 posted on 12/20/2002 8:00:47 PM PST by Havoc
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