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To: Illbay
Your hermit analogy sucks - especially after my explaining to you how extremely involved in the lives of young families this pope was as a priest. He talked with them about their marriages ALL the time.

Married men eschew (to use your word) priesthood to get married. Priests eschew marriage to become ordained.

Have you given much thought to YOUR discussing the life of a priest when you yourself have not lived it? If a priest (who grows up in a family, by the way, and hear's the confessions of many married people such that he knows their problems very well) cannot offer advice about marriage because he has not lived it, then you best keep your advice about the priesthood to yourself!
63 posted on 12/15/2002 10:52:29 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding
I'm not deigning to "judge the life of a priest." In fact, my attitude about, say, the monastic orders would be quite different. After all, they're not being asked to minister to those who are "inferior" to them, as the priests are.

What I'm judging is the RESULTS of this peculiar, insular institution, in its effects on the wider world. If this were just a problem of "the priestly life" and how they conduct themselves with ONE ANOTHER, that'd be one thing. But many of these have proven themselves inwardly to be ravening wolves. You have to be an imbecile not to be able to adjudge that.

Granted, I have some biases of my own. One scripture that comes to mind: "And again, verily I say unto you, that whoso forbiddeth to marry is not ordained of God, for marriage is ordained of God unto man." [Doctrine & Covenants 49:15]

Not just some sort of "compromise" with our weak, carnal natures, but ORDAINED of God unto man.

So, in my world-view, a celebate priesthood is contrary to the law of God.

And since I believe such laws are immutable and disregarded at our peril, it seems logical to me that problems such as the current scandal should result.

65 posted on 12/15/2002 11:03:27 PM PST by Illbay
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