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To: traditionalist
My position is that of the Catholic Church. I recommend you read Humanae Vitae. In addition, while in many ways I am a critic of John Paul II, his writings on the theology of sex are extraordinary.

No thanks. I'm into women....adult women.

Yes. Traditionally it has been called Onanism, after a biblical patriarch whom God executed for engaging in it.

Disenguous. He was executed for disobeying God's command to impregnate his slave, not for the rythym method.

Yes, masturbation is sinful.

Pure opinion and church policy, no biblical opinion on this one either.

I'm not sure what you mean by "deviant purposes."

Me either. Best guess is inserting a dollar bill between them at a strip club.

Do you consider homosexual sodomy to be unnatural? A lot of homosexuals claim it to come natuarlly to them.

Yep, as unnatural as a Yankee putting ketchup on eggs or syrup on grits, but not something to be legislated out of exsistence. It grosses me out, but who does it hurt? Who the hell am I to tell him not to do it in the privacy of his own home.
195 posted on 12/12/2002 12:33:18 PM PST by SandfleaCSC
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To: SandfleaCSC
No thanks. I'm into women....adult women.

I see you like taking cheap shots.

Disenguous. He was executed for disobeying God's command to impregnate his slave, not for the rythym method.

The rythym method and Onanism are two different things. Onan was killed for withdrawing. The rythym method involves abstaining from intercourse on days when the woman is fertile. There is nothing wrong with the latter practice.

Regarding masturbation, the Church has held this position for 2000 years. Every Church father who commented on matters of sex condemned it. Even every protestant denomination condemned it until the 1960's, and all but the most liberal continue to condemn it to this day.

And yes, the Bible does condemn it: masturbation is a form of fornication, which is explicitly condemned.

Yep, as unnatural as a Yankee putting ketchup on eggs or syrup on grits, but not something to be legislated out of exsistence. It grosses me out, but who does it hurt? Who the hell am I to tell him not to do it in the privacy of his own home.

No one is talking about legislation here, but rather morality. Just because something is immoral doesn't mean it ought to be illegal.

Extramarital sex is not illegal, but surly you agree it is immoral.

I also seem to adhere to the libertarian fallacy that only those actions that harm others out to be illegal, but that's another argument altogether.

227 posted on 12/12/2002 2:57:14 PM PST by traditionalist
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To: SandfleaCSC
Yes, masturbation is sinful.

Pure opinion and church policy, no biblical opinion on this one either.

Actually you can extrapolate from the texts that are there, in that if the wife is offended/feels cheated by it, you should not do it. If you are thinking of someone other than your wife you should not do it (it is lust). If it causes you to pull away from your wife emotionally you should not do it.

246 posted on 12/12/2002 3:20:20 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: SandfleaCSC
Yep, as unnatural as a Yankee putting ketchup on eggs or syrup on grits, but not something to be legislated out of exsistence

Ok. Now that's just wrong...

284 posted on 12/12/2002 8:02:44 PM PST by DAnconia55
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