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1 posted on 12/12/2002 7:47:44 AM PST by new cruelty
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Evangelical Environmental Network

Another bunch of nut-cases !!!

2 posted on 12/12/2002 7:54:42 AM PST by scooter2
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SINNING IN AN SUV

When i saw this title, I thought the article might describe some new and interesting recreational activities. Frankly I'm getting tired of the "what would Jesus drive" debate.

3 posted on 12/12/2002 7:54:59 AM PST by blau993
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soon guilt ridden people everywhere will begin to turn in thier SUV's, then some group will decide that

"only those truly struggling to survive have the right to drive an Suv",

and will give them away to the homeless and downtrodden..........

4 posted on 12/12/2002 7:55:32 AM PST by TaxPayer2000
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Cardinal4's contribution to the enviornment.


5 posted on 12/12/2002 7:56:30 AM PST by cardinal4
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The good rev should be reminded that bearing false witness ain't exactly something he should be doing.
6 posted on 12/12/2002 7:57:56 AM PST by pikachu
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WWJDrive?

That's an easy one.

He wouldn't. He'd walk.

But when he did catch a ride, it'd likely be in one of these, given the size of his entourage.

9 posted on 12/12/2002 8:05:43 AM PST by Fixit
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I happen to enjoy my SUV. Furthurmore, it gets better gas mileage than most full size pick-up trucks. How come we don't here for the end of all Ford and Chevy Pick-ups? They sometimes don't average any better than 13-17 miles a gallon. The myth that it is just SUV's is crazy. The only way you're going to get good gas mileage is if you buy a hybrid or a 3-cylinder suziki sportser. And who wants to be going down the highway at 35 mph?
10 posted on 12/12/2002 8:13:12 AM PST by rs79bm
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This group is the same environmental wackos as before. They have just attached themselves to the liberal UN supporting churches to get their message out. As a Christian I find them sacreligious to even use this propaganda.
11 posted on 12/12/2002 8:15:54 AM PST by TXBubba
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December 4, 2002; Fundamentalist Moslems have threatened to kill 16 journalists for writing stories they feel showed disrespect for Islam.

This butthead shows disrespect to Jesus. Except we will laugh at him instead of calling for his head.

12 posted on 12/12/2002 8:20:39 AM PST by CJ Wolf
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There are so many factual errors in this article, it is almost not worth critiquing, but,...

Under current federal laws, a passenger car must get 27.5 miles for the gallon, but an SUV needs to get only 20.7 miles a gallon.

Wrong! A manufacturer's sales of cars must average 27.5 MPG, or there is a penalty. A manufacturer can still produce cars that get significantly less than 27.5 MPG, as long as other sales balance this out, or can simply pay the penalty. NEXT!

Transportation is thought to account for about a third of the global-warming pollution America produces each year, and America, as everyone knows, is the world's largest emitter of greenhouse gases.

So, if 52% of the vehicle fleet produces 34% more CO2 than it "should", and the total emmissions account for about half of a third of the national total emmissions, completely eliminating SUV's would theoretically reduce the total US emissions of greenhouse gases by 2.9%. And US production is one-tenth of the world production, so we're getting all hyperventilating about 0.29%? NEXT!

The new CAFE standards required carmakers to raise the fuel efficiency of passenger cars to today's levels. Today's new cars, as a result, produce less than 1 percent of the emissions produced by cars in 1970.

A gallon of gas burned in 1970 produces the same amount of CO2 as a gallon of gas burned in 2002. In order to decrease the production of CO2 to 1% of 1970 levels, current cars would have to go 2000 miles on a gallon of gas. That just stoicheometry. NEXT!

Americans consume about a fourth of the oil used each year in the world, and about 25 percent of that comes from the Middle East...

So One quarter of one quarter or one third of a half or one third, using the same formulas as above, means that the excess ME fuel consumed by US SUVs as 0.5% of total ME production. The Bush proposal would cut that miniscule figure down to 0.3%. NEXT!

13 posted on 12/12/2002 8:22:37 AM PST by gridlock
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With all those disciples I would think Jesus would need the biggest SUV on the market!


14 posted on 12/12/2002 8:24:50 AM PST by The Duke
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Let me guess...a tax exempt church? With A Faith Based Initititive?
15 posted on 12/12/2002 8:30:16 AM PST by joesnuffy
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"What Would Jesus Drive?"

Speaking of religiously imposing morality on people...

Check out "The New Absolutes" by William D. Watkins

It's a Christian book but here's a quote from Chapter 3:

We Americans are absolutists, despite any rhetoric to the contrary. Over the years we have certainly changed what we believe and how we live, but we have not embraced relativism. Many of the clashes of values and lifestyles among us testify to our bekief that our moral convictions and practices should be accepted by others as legitimate, if not outright fully embraced by them as well. The American people may say they accept the notion that a truth claim or moral claim is relative, but they do not behave as if this is true. Their behavior exposes what they really accept -- that what they believe is true or right for them should be (and actually is) true or right for everyone else.

In effect the cardinal sins are not sins of exploitation (sexual, financial, or otherwise), but now it's smoking, driving the wrong car, or believing something not endorsed by the mainstream.

17 posted on 12/12/2002 8:39:41 AM PST by Terriergal
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Jesus may drive a Yugo but rest assured God drives a full size pickup truck.
19 posted on 12/12/2002 8:41:42 AM PST by Barry Goldwater
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I don't know, I see Jesus as more of a Mercedes type fella....


20 posted on 12/12/2002 8:43:18 AM PST by Hatteras
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Lefties become indignant when Christians say homosexual behavior is sin, but when these "Christians" say DRIVING AN SUV is sin, they applaud.
24 posted on 12/12/2002 8:50:12 AM PST by Guillermo
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These guys don't have a clue. Jesus would be concerned about someone driving any kind of car as an opportunity to show off. But if the car is used for practical reasons, e.g. large family, have to haul a lot of stuff, drive over rough terrain, He wouldn't care if someone drove an SUV.
32 posted on 12/12/2002 9:04:22 AM PST by MEGoody
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