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To: gubamyster
The United States cannot import tens of millions of Third World peoples, forsake assimilation, celebrate multiculturalism and avoid Third World mores. Once the United States has Third World immigrants as prosecutors and police, criminals will be able to purchase their freedom with bribes. Punishment will fall on those who can't meet the price of a bribe.

This is a wallop of a point, that to my knowledge, Roberts is the first to make.

There is no rational basis for U.S. immigration policy. What drives U.S. immigration policy is the soppy assumption that environment determines behavior. Soppy-minded immigration enthusiasts actually believe that the mere act of crossing our frontier turns the immigrant into an American and infuses the immigrant with American beliefs and habits. The immigrant becomes a law-abiding person in spite of everything his life has taught him to that point.

Actually, Roberts is not on as firm ground here as he was in the other case. One hundred years ago, the environment in the good 'ol U.S. of A. was utterly intolerant of the sort of behavior that is now encouraged of immigrants, legal and illegal. And in those days, you couldn't just show up and get a federal job; you had to pay your dues. Your children might have a shot at a federal job, but probably not, because (thank the Founding Fathers!) there were so few of them in those days. And by the time your kids or grandkids got such a job, they'd been inculcated with respect for their nation in school, and for the law, courtesy of a policeman's sap, if necessary.

9 posted on 12/11/2002 4:54:58 PM PST by mrustow
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This business with SS numbers and illegals really bothers me. If an illegal uses your SS number, they could totally ruin your credit and have creditors banging on YOUR door. You could find yourself thousands of dollars in debt that you did not incur. What then?

Even pro-illegals should be concerned about that. Who knows what SS number the next new illegal will make up? It could be yours!
10 posted on 12/11/2002 5:10:18 PM PST by Morrigan
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To: mrustow
I would add that Roberts' second point holds true because the situation of a century ago simply no longer exists. There was no welfare, no affirmative action, and a much smaller federal government. Immigrants of that era either sank or swam - about 40% of those who landed here returned to their homeland. Another difference is that the immigrants of ca. 1902 were mainly from societies that had at least some connection culturally to our own. Those entering now (Muslims, for example) have no such connection and would have a more difficult time of assimilation even if the multicultural machine were not in place. The kind of idiotic wishful thinking expressed by the open borders crowd about automatic assimilation is just a flip answer given to avoid addressing a serious question. The ruling elite are forcing this madness down everyone's throat regardless of how the majority of those living here feel about it. Their other agendas trump any concerns about national security, rule of law, sovereignty, etc.
12 posted on 12/11/2002 5:28:35 PM PST by Bogolyubski
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