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Immigration corrupts
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| December 11, 2002
| Paul Craig Roberts
Posted on 12/11/2002 3:56:23 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: madfly; Tancredo Fan
ping
To: gubamyster
Food for thought bump.
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posted on
12/11/2002 4:04:25 PM PST
by
Ciexyz
To: gubamyster
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U.S. Office of Personnel Management bragged that "preferred minorities" were vastly over-represented in federal employment. As almost all immigrants into the United States, both legal and illegal, are classified as "preferred minorities," recent immigrants will be over-represented in federal employment."Go in any government office (starting with just about any post office, if you don't believe this.) When dealing with a public employee these days, you're lucky if they can speak english. We have three orientals at our post office who must have all just fallen off the boat. One doesn't have the slightest concept of our money system, and gets a bewildered look when you hand her a bill and she has to make change. (It's guaranteed that your change will in no way correspond with what you should have been charged.) The second speaks pigeon english but doesn't understand it when it's spoken to her, and the third doesn't understand the various postage classifications, and charges whatever she wants, regardless of what you ask for. Don't bother asking for the supervisor. He's worse than they are. Used to be a failed, worthless clerk, so they promoted him.
To: Tancredo Fan; Ajnin; Bodacious; Henrietta; Bikers4Bush; madfly; jimt; FITZ; Drill Alaska
How much do you want to bet a goodly percentage of these "preferred minorities" are illegals? If they even had to present ID to get their jobs, I'll bet it was false. Add checking the legal status of all federal employees to the list of things to do for Homeland Security, Tom Ridge.
To: gubamyster
They ought to clean out the Social Security number databases, it couldn't be all that tough to do with the computers we have now. All Social Security numbers should belong only to Americans who were born here or who came here legally and there would be ways to prove either case. Someone who gets a SSN as an adult should have records of legal immigration. It's a serious problem because many of our newer welfare cases shouldn't even be in the US and many immigrants have learned to purchase several identities.
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posted on
12/11/2002 4:26:11 PM PST
by
FITZ
To: gubamyster
bump
To: holyscroller
Where do you live?
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posted on
12/11/2002 4:47:17 PM PST
by
mrustow
To: gubamyster
The United States cannot import tens of millions of Third World peoples, forsake assimilation, celebrate multiculturalism and avoid Third World mores. Once the United States has Third World immigrants as prosecutors and police, criminals will be able to purchase their freedom with bribes. Punishment will fall on those who can't meet the price of a bribe.This is a wallop of a point, that to my knowledge, Roberts is the first to make.
There is no rational basis for U.S. immigration policy. What drives U.S. immigration policy is the soppy assumption that environment determines behavior. Soppy-minded immigration enthusiasts actually believe that the mere act of crossing our frontier turns the immigrant into an American and infuses the immigrant with American beliefs and habits. The immigrant becomes a law-abiding person in spite of everything his life has taught him to that point.
Actually, Roberts is not on as firm ground here as he was in the other case. One hundred years ago, the environment in the good 'ol U.S. of A. was utterly intolerant of the sort of behavior that is now encouraged of immigrants, legal and illegal. And in those days, you couldn't just show up and get a federal job; you had to pay your dues. Your children might have a shot at a federal job, but probably not, because (thank the Founding Fathers!) there were so few of them in those days. And by the time your kids or grandkids got such a job, they'd been inculcated with respect for their nation in school, and for the law, courtesy of a policeman's sap, if necessary.
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posted on
12/11/2002 4:54:58 PM PST
by
mrustow
To: All
This business with SS numbers and illegals really bothers me. If an illegal uses your SS number, they could totally ruin your credit and have creditors banging on YOUR door. You could find yourself thousands of dollars in debt that you did not incur. What then?
Even pro-illegals should be concerned about that. Who knows what SS number the next new illegal will make up? It could be yours!
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posted on
12/11/2002 5:10:18 PM PST
by
Morrigan
To: FITZ
I just saw an Arizona congressman on TV say that all those fraudulent social security #s are raking in big cash for the government coffers. That must be the real reason no politician but Tancredo will speak out about illegal immigration, don't you think?
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posted on
12/11/2002 5:21:46 PM PST
by
tinamina
To: mrustow
I would add that Roberts' second point holds true because the situation of a century ago simply no longer exists. There was no welfare, no affirmative action, and a much smaller federal government. Immigrants of that era either sank or swam - about 40% of those who landed here returned to their homeland. Another difference is that the immigrants of ca. 1902 were mainly from societies that had at least some connection culturally to our own. Those entering now (Muslims, for example) have no such connection and would have a more difficult time of assimilation even if the multicultural machine were not in place. The kind of idiotic wishful thinking expressed by the open borders crowd about automatic assimilation is just a flip answer given to avoid addressing a serious question. The ruling elite are forcing this madness down everyone's throat regardless of how the majority of those living here feel about it. Their other agendas trump any concerns about national security, rule of law, sovereignty, etc.
To: gubamyster
100% true!
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posted on
12/11/2002 5:37:04 PM PST
by
dennisw
To: gubamyster
It's not immigration that corrupts, it's the welfare state plus unfiltered immigration.
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posted on
12/11/2002 5:56:59 PM PST
by
Salman
To: mrustow
Seattle area. An international stewpot if ever there was one.
To: holyscroller
The purpose of immigration today is to replace the European population of the US with what are deemed the more worthy. This is all part of the lefts continuing campaign to destroy Western civilization which stands in their way of total power. You should have heard the glee in Cali. when we became an officially minority state. If you want to know what the end game is here look at South Africa or Kosove. I believe what was done to the Jews is what they have in mind. After all we are all racists and therefore deserve the worst punishment possible.
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posted on
12/11/2002 6:08:33 PM PST
by
willyone
To: Salman
Immigration corrupts.
Corruption immigrates.
It all balances out.
To: Morrigan
I helped turn over a US Navy ship that we had sold to the Egyptian Navy. All the officers on board had gone and gotten Social Security cards. No questions no problems.
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posted on
12/11/2002 6:11:17 PM PST
by
willyone
To: holyscroller
,,, to illustrate that a very small nation is going thru a similar crisis, on a smaller scale...
New Zealand First leader Winston Peters is not welcome in Christchurch after his attack on the city's Somali community, Mayor Garry Moore said yesterday.
Mr Peters called on the Government yesterday to send feuding factions of Christchurch's Somali community back to their homeland.
He was responding to a newspaper report that police were investigating Somali attacks on other Somalis' cars in a feud that possibly related to leadership tensions within the city's 400-strong community.
If they were having problems adjusting to living here "the most humane course of action" would be to send them home with funds to help them make a fresh start, Mr Peters said.
Patrick O'Connor, director of multi-cultural learning centre Peeto, who has been helping opposing Somali factions, suggested Mr Peters meet the Christchurch community to debate refugee and migrant issues.
But Mr Moore said the MP was the "last person we need in this city".
"I wouldn't be seen dead in a hall with Winston Peters. We have many issues to discuss and I'm particularly keen to discuss immigration in a wholesome way but I consider his technique neither wholesome nor helpful.
"I recommend he stay in Tauranga," the Mayor said.
"Politicians who play to people's fears and don't show leadership where communities need it are engaging in toxic politics."
Christchurch MP Tim Barnett also denounced Mr Peters' comments.
"When a senior politician condemns a whole community...because some cars have been scratched, there is only one word for that and it's racism.
"It shows self-righteousness and a total disregard for the reasons why Somalis are here and the nature of their society."
The Somali community, which is made up of 13 clans in Christchurch, had come from refugee camps, a civil war, and a country that after 12 years still did not have a functional government, Mr Barnett said.
"They have dealt with the tensions they have brought with them internally and quietly and occasionally that has spilt into something more overt but that's all that's happened."
But Mr Peters said those problems demonstrated growing divisions in New Zealand.
"We have imported civil war and ethnic strife that now threatens law-abiding New Zealanders," he said. "We have enough problems of our own without importing the hatred and blind prejudices of other cultures.
"There is no room for ethnic violence in New Zealand."
Race Relations Commissioner Joris de Bres was briefed on the situation this week and said he was encouraged by the efforts being made within the Somali community and by Christchurch community workers to address the underlying issues.
He said the refugees had been through traumatic situations that were bound to place continuing pressures on victims.
"Let's recognise both the difficulties refugees face and the long-term success that has been achieved with earlier refugee groups, and have some confidence in the steps being taken to address these issues," Mr de Bres said.
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