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To: H.Akston
You've tried those lies before and there is not a shred of truth in any of them.

The Declaration has little to do with the constitution and the author of the former would have undoubtably opposed the latter had he been in this country. His later actions and remarks indicate both a lack of understanding of the constitution and a contempt for it. Like you and the other D.S.'s.

The Confederacy was wrong in every catagory which can be measured.

State's were never Free and Independent. Their very existence depended upon the Union.

The Constitution is not an alliance it is an act by the People of the United States. Stop lying. The States were not allowed to make the decision whether or not to ratify it. This was done by the American People in convention in the States. Stop Lying.
195 posted on 12/13/2002 7:11:30 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
You've tried to lie your way around me before, but you failed then and you will fail now.

There is a reason not a word was spoken on this subject at the Constitutional Convention and that is because it was unthinkable to those true patriots many of whom had risked all on the battlefield fighting for Independence.

You might want to enlighten yourself on the Declaration of Independence. It says that the states are "FREE AND INDEPENDENT", and as such have the right to levy war make peace, contract alliances, and do all things that INDEPENDENT STATES may of right do. The Constitution is an alliance. Federalist 39 says that the only bind to the Constitution is by the states' own VOLUNTARY acts. The Constitution does not bind the State into the Union, the State's choice of being a member of the Union is the ONLY THING that binds it, according to JAMES MADISON. What you are saying goes against the very spirit, grain and fabric of what America is founded on - independence and free will.

You need to bone up on the basic principles the country was founded on. You should use them as a guide, when forming opinions about the freedom of States to form and cancel alliances. You Liar.

214 posted on 12/13/2002 7:56:29 PM PST by H.Akston
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To: justshutupandtakeit
The Constitution is not an alliance it is an act by the People of the United States.

"An Act"? It's ratification was a Federal, not a National act. Read Federalist 39. Federal acts are made by sovereign entities, which retain certain rights, that they have by virtue of being sovereign entities. Read the Declaration of Independence.

Stop lying.

Yes, please do that.

The States were not allowed to make the decision whether or not to ratify it. This was done by the American People in convention in the States.

Read Federalist 39. You'll find that the People of Each State acting in their sovereign capacity AS A STATE, ratified the Constitution You're a gross blathering shame to your country.

216 posted on 12/13/2002 8:16:04 PM PST by H.Akston
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