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To: WhiskeyPapa
I don't think so. You are the one high and dry here.

Marbury says otherwise. "The judicial power of the United States is extended to all cases arising under the constitution." Try again.

You wail and whine about President Lincoln's actions and cite just the one person, the pretty much discredited Roger Taney.

Sorry Walt, but you have yet to offer any valid reason whatsoever why Taney should not have ruled on that case. Try again.

Of course you excuse the secessionists, who had neither legal or moral grounds for their actions.

No Walt. The right to self government supersedes statute. Try again.

You need to find criticism of Lincoln in the record contemporary with his actions.

And I did just that, Walt. It's called Ex Parte Merryman. Try again.

This throwing up of hands, "Eek, look what mean old Lincoln did!" is just the same thing, as I say, that changed Columbus from great hero and explorer to syphilitic oppressor of minorities.

Perhaps, but that would presume somebody was doing either. You have yet to establish that. Try again, Walt.

"The success of the Maryland policy became a political byword and was celebrated, beyond the borders of Maryland, throughout the war...Republicans would later enjoy substantial bipartisan agreement on the necessity of the early arrests in Maryland.", says Dr. Neely.

No ammount of words from Dr. Neely, or Noam McPherson for that matter, will change the fact that The Lincoln resorted to unconstitutional means though. Try again, Walt.

Your carping is just sour grapes.

The only sour grapes here are being pointed at by an individual who has just had his rear end handed to him in debate after he grasped at every straw available to deny the common sense reality that the court ruled against The Lincoln and The Lincoln ignored it. That person is you, Walt, and your attempts to legitimize your unsupportable position become more absurd by the day.

Listen, why don't you try for a hearing on that Muslim CNN, whatever it's called? They love tearing down America too.

No thanks, Walt. I think they'd be much more receptive to Constitution-hating, America-hating traitors such as yourself who could go on there to blame George Bush for september 11th while singing praises for your hero and candidate of choice Bill Clinton.

161 posted on 12/12/2002 11:31:05 AM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: GOPcapitalist
No ammount [sic]of words from Dr. Neely, or Noam McPherson for that matter, will change the fact that The Lincoln resorted to unconstitutional means though.

Lincoln didn't use unconstitutional means. By the standard of the day, he had as much right to interpret the Constitution as Taney did.

You are applying modern day standards to an historical person. But now you are outed.

Walt

162 posted on 12/12/2002 11:39:52 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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