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To: justshutupandtakeit
I know that you are very fond of your opinions but let me ask you what claim power or property that the Federal Government has could it not exercise to negotiate a mutually agreed upon secession? And don’t waste either of our time by running on and on about how you feel that all the evidence taken as a whole leads you to the opinion that Secession should never be allowed.
158 posted on 12/12/2002 10:38:53 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
The whole reason the Constitution was written and adopted was to form a "more perfect" Union since the old one was too weak to maintain. There is no grant of power allowing Congress to tear apart the Union. But there is plenty within the document indicating the unconstitutionality of such a monstrosity.

In order for such a thing to be legal there would have to be a Constitutional amendment allowing disUnion since it goes against the entire logic of forming a Constitution in the first place. There is a reason not a word was spoken on this subject at the Constitutional Convention and that is because it was unthinkable to those true patriots many of whom had risked all on the battlefield fighting for Independence. They were not about to allow all that effort go for naught and allow the nation to be split into 3 sections each allied with a different foreign power. This was a nightmare to the profound thinkers gathered in Philadelphia that summer.

It is not just that "all the evidence taken as a whole" does not allow secession there is NO evidence that any of the founders supported such an idea or that the constitution allows Congress to dissolve the Union. NONE. Read what Jefferson said at his inaugural address in 1801 about those (some of the more lunatic Republicans) advocating secession or disunion.

Read what Washington said in the Farewell Address. Or the Federalist papers for Madison's and Hamilton's views. Or the reaction of H. to the Secessionists attempt to elect Burr NY governor and split the nation. The fools in South Carolina were not the first touched by this insanity.

I will bet that for any other issue the doctrine of implied powers is anathema to you. Why would you ditch that belief to allow the Union to be destroyed?
164 posted on 12/12/2002 12:09:57 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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