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To: betty boop
That is an excellent summary. Here are my off-the-cuff reactions. I agree with paragraphs 1-5; many people do; these thoughts/sentiments are perhaps uncontroversial. 6 may be true; I would certainly agree that the idea that Newton or Einstein has made Aristotle irrelevant is silly; and by extension, ditto re Aquinas. 7 is poetry. 8 could be taken as the goal for a philosophical project; no indication that V. has actually done this. On the other hand, as you acknowledge, what is the point of 8? You have to assume the conclusion to get there. 9: agreed. I think Heidegger said the same thing. (There is an odor of Heidegger through out.) 10 is controversial if he is saying that the materialsists live in a different reality or have a different rationality. If all he is saying is that it is hard to argue with people who have radically different assumptions, that is trivially true. On the whole--I have to say that I have had very similar thoughts and ruminations myself, but I recognize that I have to date uttered no philosophy. But there may be more to this than meets the eye, and I do thank you for your summary.
170 posted on 12/15/2002 8:34:11 PM PST by maro
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To: betty boop
If I were an atheist, I think I would save my money to buy a plane ticket to Italy to see whether the blood of Saint Januarius really did liquefy and congeal miraculously, as it is supposed to do annually. I would go to Medjugorge. I would study all published interviews of any of the seventy thousand who saw the miracle of the sun at Fatima. I would ransack hospital records for documented "impossible", miraculous cures. Yet, strangely, almost all atheists argue against miracles philosophically rather than historically. They are convinced a priori, by argument, that miracles can't happen. So they don't waste their time or money on such an empirical investigation. Those who do soon cease to be atheists—like the sceptical scientists who investigated the Shroud of Turin, or like Frank Morrison, who investigated the evidence for the "myth" of Christ's Resurrection with the careful scientific eye of the historian-and became a believer. (His book Who Moved the Stone? is still a classic and still in print after more than sixty years.)

Argument from History
by Peter Kreeft

How many atheists or agnostics dare to click on these links? Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano. Our Lady of Guadalupe. Stigmata.

174 posted on 12/16/2002 5:49:19 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: maro
Truly I appreciate your comments, maro. Thank you so much for taking the time to write.
177 posted on 12/16/2002 7:01:53 AM PST by betty boop
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