[gore3000]

Which is about three millimeters and one fig leaf away from saying that truth is subjective and dependent on perception - truth depends on perception, perception depends on experience, therefore truth depends on experience.

You are completely mistating what Voegelin is saying. He is saying that for there to be possible discussion there has to be some common ground. The problem of debating with materialists is that they do not acknowledge even the existence of their own minds. This is totally irrational and therefore any attempt at rational discussion with materialists is fruitless. Your rejection of passages where he describes why intellect is a quality of mankind shows his statement to be correct.

[general_re]

You're right. I am completely irrational, and further discussion with me would be fruitless and a complete waste of time. I strongly urge you to never post to me again.