[beckett]

Not literally, no --- it's a metaphor.

[dark_lord]

And as my daughter asked me yesterday - what's a metaphor?

Cows.

(At least she's not doing the knock knock jokes anymore.)

[D-fendr]

thanks, then "see" is a metaphor for "know"? That we cannot know?

Would that mean your observation:

"The cloud of unknowing beyond which we cannot see." refers to "beyond which we cannot know"?

If so, perhaps our misunderstanding would be dissolved by adding: "cannot know by use of science/materialism and reason/logic.

And then maybe the author of The Cloud of Unknowing would not be spinning so much after all.