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What if 'West Wing' Turned Right?
Newsday ^ | 11/20 | Noel Hoston

Posted on 12/03/2002 2:42:44 PM PST by GulliverSwift

November 20, 2002

Regime change, anyone?

I'm not talking about Iraq, although its oppressed citizens obviously could use a more benign leader. I'm talking about a changing of the guard on "The West Wing." Maybe the time is opportune.

The defection of viewers from NBC's Wednesday-night White House drama is the talk of the TV industry this fall. Its overall Nielsen numbers are down about 20 percent from last season - 30 percent if you're talking about the important 18-to-49- year-old demographic. One theory - much discussed and at least as persuasive as the notion that viewers are bailing to watch ABC's "The Bachelor" or Fox's "Fastlane" - is that executive producer/head writer Aaron Sorkin has pushed the show into such blatant, in-your-face partisanship that it's alienating some viewers who, because of events of the past year, are feeling generally more conservative and specifically more favorable toward President George W. Bush.

Starting late last season and extending through this fall's election arc, Bush has undergone the video equivalent of being hanged in effigy on "The West Wing." "Saturday Night Live" and the all-but-forgotten Comedy Central sitcom, "That's My Bush," haven't served up a meaner parody of Bush than "The West Wing's" faux-Republican presidential challenger, Robert Ritchie (James Brolin), a Sun Belt governor with the most vacuous look this side of the inbred hillbillies in "Deliverance." Ralph Cifaretto had a fairer chance against Tony Soprano than Ritchie had when he met eloquent Democratic incumbent Jed Bartlet (Martin Sheen) in the series' big debate episode four weeks ago. Ritchie wasn't on the stump, he was a stump.

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1 posted on 12/03/2002 2:42:44 PM PST by GulliverSwift
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To: GulliverSwift
The West Wing was originally created to give liberals a fantasy alternate universe version of the Clinton White House in which, instead of being a vulgar, intern-molesting opportunist whose main cultural reference is Elvis, their President would be a tweedy, happily-married "progressive idealist" who reads the Latin classics in the original. Sorkin's not going to give up his make-believe happy place voluntarily no matter what, but ratings dropping like the proverbial stone will make the choice for him. No more West Wing after next season.
2 posted on 12/03/2002 2:50:45 PM PST by Argus
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To: GulliverSwift
They will never fix the show because they are liberals and liberals never learn from their mistakes (they blame everyone else).

It is very obvious that the liberals lack a 'feed-back' system to measure the degree of success or lack of success in their what they do.

For this reson, they will make the same mistakes an unlimited number of times and still won't admit to being wrong even as they are destroyed by them.

If any of you remember "Super Dave Osborne", attempting his stunts and always failing severly, you then have a good picture of the liberal approach.

They have never dared to look back and see if any of their ideas actually worked because they fear the truth and by ignoring it, maybe it will go away.

3 posted on 12/03/2002 2:53:51 PM PST by capt. norm
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To: Argus
The article does make you wonder, though. Will there _ever_ be a TV show or movie which portrays conservative politicians in a positive manner? It doesn't seem likely to me.
4 posted on 12/03/2002 2:54:18 PM PST by GulliverSwift
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To: Argus
The blond conservative Ann Coulter-like character was the best thiong the show had going for it.....she ( Emily Proctor) got a full time gig on the new CSI Miami...where her lines really suck........she should have got an Emmy for her West Wing character...
5 posted on 12/03/2002 2:54:52 PM PST by ken5050
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To: GulliverSwift
Senator Fred Thompson on "Law and Order" does a pretty righteous job.
6 posted on 12/03/2002 2:56:38 PM PST by pankot
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To: ken5050
I never watch the show (can't stand it for more than a minute at a time). What was her character like?
7 posted on 12/03/2002 2:56:42 PM PST by GulliverSwift
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To: pankot
I don't watch that show either. What does he do there?
8 posted on 12/03/2002 2:57:11 PM PST by GulliverSwift
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To: GulliverSwift
Who needs a TV fantasy show when we got the genuine article in the White House right now?
9 posted on 12/03/2002 2:57:15 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: GulliverSwift
I don't know whether Sorkin owns the show. They certainly won't succeed in fixing it unless he and Martin Sheen and the horses they rode in on are all fired.

I can see it now--Martin Sheen LOSES the next election. Bye bye.
10 posted on 12/03/2002 2:58:56 PM PST by Cicero
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To: GulliverSwift
Will there _ever_ be a TV show or movie which portrays conservative politicians in a positive manner?

BRAVEHEART was about as close as Hollywood will go.

11 posted on 12/03/2002 3:01:33 PM PST by Argus
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To: GulliverSwift
Wait a minute -- Isn't this the same Noel Holston who used to be the entertainent columnist for the Minneapolis Tribune? I don't remember him writing anything like this when he was with them.

Could that explain why he migrated to Newsday?

12 posted on 12/03/2002 3:04:17 PM PST by Reverend Bob
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To: SamAdams76
Liberals need to watch "The Left Wing" because the world of make believe is the only place where they win elections and they win in the arena of ideas.
13 posted on 12/03/2002 3:05:53 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: capt. norm
They will never fix the show because they are liberals and liberals never learn from their mistakes

Sorkin was also the writer of film "The American President", which had as one of its central issues the title character's noble fight for truth, justice, and draconian gun control.

Here's a post I write back in 1995 when that topic arose:


>}Someone please explain what and why people are talking so much about this
>}movie??  Help me out.....  Thanks
>
>   It is alleged that this movie makes - gasp, horrors - an
>  "anti-gun statement". Heaven forbid.

An "anti-gun statement" is not the problem.  Be my guest.  Everyone's
entitled to their opinion.  Just don't lie your face off while doing it
by utterly misrepresenting the other side.

If I lose a public debate fair and square, so be it.  What really
chafes by butt, however, is losing one due to a massive wave of
lies, misleadingly presented truths, and the carrying of primarily
only one side's views.  There comes a point when something goes beyond
a personal presentation of ones opinion, and enters the realm of outright
propaganda.  When it crosses that line (and of course different people
are going to have a different opinion on where exactly that line is),
then don't be surprised when people react against it.

Let's hear what the screenwriter of "The American President" has to
say:

   Aaron Sorkin:  "We solicited a lot of material from the
    National Rifle Association, and they provided me with utterly
    no argument for people to pack weapons at all."

This is either his way of misleadingly saying, "they didn't respond
to my requests in time", or he's lying about what he got.  Clearly,
the NRA would have no problem supplying such arguments, as they've
got a mountain of such material.  It's one thing if Sorkin didn't
find it convincing -- it's another thing entirely to imply that
the NRA threw up its hands and said, "we can't make such an argument".

  Also: "I realized then why we don't see Pat Buchanan and Phil Gramm
  and Bob Dole and Newt Gingrich talking about why it's a good idea
  that we have guns: There is no intelligent argument on the other
  side."

*Excuse* me?  If "we" don't see them talking about such things, it's
because "we" haven't been paying attention, Aaron.  As for his second
sentence, he again reveals his bias and blinders.  There is clearly
intelligent argument on both sides.  I'll be the first to admit that
there's some intelligent argument on the anti-gun side (I just wish we
saw more of it around here, as opposed to the variety we usually get.)

  Also:  "To me, guns have always been an issue with which I find
      difficulty seeing both sides."

Gosh, who would have guessed?


14 posted on 12/03/2002 3:06:57 PM PST by Dan Day
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To: GulliverSwift
They can't do it. It's not in them to have Republicans be hip, genuinely funny, and heroic. We get an occasional Michael J. Fox as the kid (conveniently offset by his wise, liberal parents), or a racist idiot Archie Bunker. But by and large, all heroes must be liberal Democrats. That's the template.
15 posted on 12/03/2002 3:08:18 PM PST by LS
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To: KC_Conspirator
And their make-believe opponents are as stupid as they imagine their real ones to be.

Little do they know that they are the stupid ones, trading a fantasy for the real thing. I wish they'd all take comfort and solace in their fantasy world and leave the real one to us.
16 posted on 12/03/2002 3:08:44 PM PST by GulliverSwift
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To: Dan Day
That was a great response!
17 posted on 12/03/2002 3:17:54 PM PST by winner3000
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To: GulliverSwift
Well, if and when WW starts to falter, that could be a formula for success...Have Pres. Bartlett termed-out, and let a conservative Republican take his place. Whole new cast of characters. Seriously, NBC should insist on this.
18 posted on 12/03/2002 3:22:09 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: SamAdams76
Who needs a TV fantasy show when we got the genuine article in the White House right now?

Al Gore - Season premiere of Futurama.

19 posted on 12/03/2002 3:27:12 PM PST by Young Rhino
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To: GulliverSwift
What was her character like?

She was hired to give the republican views, and she was given an office in the basement (literally.) Actually the White House staff started treating her pretty well, and even showed signs of respecting her.

But on West Wing, there was always at least a slight representation of the conservative view. One of the secretaries, a blond maybe named Donna, once asked her boss (Rob Lowe) why the government needs to tax the people so much. The staffer's response was that people can't be trusted to spend their own money on the right things. He was dead serious.

That pissed me off until later in the show, Donna was going out to get the lunch, and Rob Lowe asked for a salad, and gave Donna a twenty. Donna returned with the salad, and Lowe asked for his change. She told him she was keeping it, because she didn't trust him to spend it on the right things. LOL!

But recent episodes have been nothing more that a 60 minute lecture by the DNC, and there is no question that the West Wing has jumped the shark.

20 posted on 12/03/2002 3:34:14 PM PST by Semper911
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