[MileHi]

which in the Petro-Chem construction industry is a Piping designer for the plants, not a pipe fitter.

Guess I proved I'm not one of them.

Really the mechanical engineer on our staff is a great guy and I have learned plenty from him. He gave me my jaded opinion of engineers, he is the one out of several. And he treats me as a collegue. Not bad for a publik skool guy. But, hey, I have been at this for 25 years and I do catch engineers frquently.

[Texasforever]

It all depends on how much on hands experience an engineer has. The more tool time they have the more competent they are and the more common sense they have acquired.