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ACLU Sees Membership Surge After 9/11
Associated Press / ABC ^

Posted on 12/01/2002 10:43:06 AM PST by RCW2001

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To: IronJack
You bury them and then the laws will be re-written to bury you for even daring to post on a website like this one. Where will you run and hide when no one is willing to fight for your rights against governmental power? Where will you run and hide when the goosestepping jackboots knock down your door at 3 a.m. and carry you away because that felon Poindexter feels like it? Who will go to the bat and fight for this website's existence? The ACLU! That's who!
21 posted on 12/01/2002 6:37:10 PM PST by mandible
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To: mandible
Why should you disparage any organization that is dedicated to the defense of the Constitution of the United States?

The ACLU is not defending the Constitution, they always come down on the side of any issue that would destroy this country. There are ways of defending personal liberty without joining such an evil organization, I would much prefer that Bob Barr find one of those. Maybe he's gone off the deep end, as a way of dealing with his failure to get Clinton removed.

22 posted on 12/01/2002 6:46:34 PM PST by hunter112
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To: Revolting cat!
All the rhetoric presented here is about Communist party affiliations during the first half of the 20th century. When was that unconstitutional? You are talking about the Communist "menace" paranoia from 1948, 1952, 1954. It was during the McCarthy witchhunts that the First Amendment was breached repeatedly and this insanity was brought to an end.

You mean to say that they would seek to destroy the U.S. and its Constitution for the sake of worker's rights? Ludicrous! When placed in the correct historical context, these statements, either of personal opinion or organizational policy, reflect the transitional state of labor rights at that historical point. Labor activists were fighting the likes of Henry Ford. Ford built his auto empire under deplorable worker and safety conditions. Ford was so influential in his industrial development (aiding Germany) that Nazi Germany bestowed honors upon Ford with a personal commendation from Adolph Hitler.

Should you wish to address any statement regarding the worker's takeover of the United States - then I would love you to show me the ACLU case docket from that age to support that idea.


23 posted on 12/01/2002 6:54:29 PM PST by mandible
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To: mandible
You are a disruptor. Buh, bye!
24 posted on 12/01/2002 6:56:40 PM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: mandible
If you're of the impression that the ACLU cares one whit about the Constitution, then I invite you to be the first financial backer for my Time Travel Project. The ACLU does not promote a constitutional agenda; they defend principles that in all cases are antithetical to established American values.

Their biggest target is the mythical wall between church and state. They absolutely reject the notion of anything Christian in the public sphere, but they defend the right of children to view pornography in public libraries. They have no problem with homosexuals starting a recruiting group on a junior high campus, but blanch at the thought of a Bible study on that same campus.

Their perversion of the First Amendment has become so accepted in common law that people don't understand that it has no historical basis whatsoever.

Never do they defend a conservative cause. It is perfectly acceptable for children to be taught about Islam in public schools, because Islam is destructive to the West. When people are robbed of their guns by overzealous "law enforcement," the ACLU is oddly silent. They didn't say a word about the murders at the Mount Carmel compound in Waco, Texas. They don't say a word about the McCain-Feingold Free Speech Suppression Bill that was passed as "Campaign Finance Reform."

If you would trust the ACLU to safeguard your constitutional rights, you'd trust Bill Clinton to babysit your teenage daughter.

25 posted on 12/01/2002 7:16:29 PM PST by IronJack
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To: IronJack; Houmatt; archy; hunter112
What we're seeing posted on FR this past week is a full-court-press replete with revisionist history concerning the goals and factual background of the ACLU. This Marxist/Socialist/liberal-controlled-and-infested-organization has for decades successfully attacked, savaged and laid-low more American freedoms, principles and institutions than any other group that I can think of.

The looking-for-work Barr and Armey were employed by the cancerous ACLU as a ploy to look more conservative as the historical revisionism cynically rolls on. And these two intelligent gentlemen realize it very well.

Hiring a few of the token opposition is a well-established leftist tactic. New and more devious paths are needed now by the ACLU in light of the past election bombshells and to get new and desperately-needed sources of donations from any naive, uninformed or deluded, or hopeful souls it can sucker into believing the ACLU is heading in a new direction.

Anyone who thinks the ACLU tiger will change its stripes is delusional. It explicity stated recently that no matter WHO it hires as "consultants" it has NO intention of abandoning any of its long-held core principles (pro-partial birth abortion, pro-gun control/confiscation, God out of schools and public life, etcetera, etcetera, and so forth).

No, the ACLU won't change any of it's core beliefs now or in our lifetime. On that you can rely.

Leni

26 posted on 12/01/2002 7:49:34 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: MinuteGal
What we're seeing posted on FR this past week is a full-court-press replete with revisionist history concerning the goals and factual background of the ACLU.

Who in the name of John Birch would be trying to salvage the ACLU's reputation on Free Republic!?!? Talk about a fool's errand! You could more easily sell sunscreen to a hedgehog.

27 posted on 12/02/2002 4:45:21 AM PST by IronJack
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To: IronJack
If one types "Conservative Favorites" into "search" there's a thread aswarm with revisionists of ACLU history. Also, there is scores of the hopeful and deluded on this thread and others who actually feel that Barr will move this decades-old Marxist mountain to the right.

Sure he will. His contract with the ACLU is for 6 months (180 days!).

The ACLU has also stipulated to Barr he will not meddle in any of the ACLU's other causes except what he was hired for, privacy concerns. He agreed. He will NOT be "working from inside" the ACLU to further conservatism. He has only cheaply and cynically lent his name temporarily so that for propaganda purposes the ACLU can crow about how "non-partisan" and "centrist" it is (which they are already doing, by the way).

In addition to the ACLU's issues I listed briefly above (anti-gun, pro abortion, pro partial-birth abortion, removing God from school and public life, the ACLU also espouses affirmative action, elimination of capital punishment, the protection of the "rights" of Islamic terrorists and the elimination of military tribunals to deal with terrorists.

Others may want to add to this list.

Leni

28 posted on 12/02/2002 5:40:20 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: mandible
Why should you disparage any organization that is dedicated to the defense of the Constitution of the United States? Just because the ACLU defends people whose beliefs and practices might offend you is a very hollow reason to damn them. They would defend you in a fight against a tyrant. Have you ever thought about that?

BZZZTTT! Wrong answer! Care to play again?

The ACLU trumpets its championing of the Bill of Rights -- except those Rights they don't like. The ACLU has, for example, consistently refused to defend the Second Amendment, last year specifically identified as an individual right by the U.S. 5th Circuit Court.

The ACLU has consistently refused to defend the right of a private organization that uses its own money to determine who it wants as members.

The ACLU defends only those rights with which they personally agree. They are simply Marxist collectivists wearing happy-face masks.

29 posted on 12/02/2002 8:21:29 AM PST by pabianice
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