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Gov't Proposes More Leeway for Logging
AP ^ | 11/27/02 | By JOHN HEILPRIN, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 11/27/2002 2:57:05 PM PST by Sparta

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Bush administration is proposing less emphasis on wildlife preservation and other environmental concerns when deciding how much logging or recreation to allow in the 192 million acres of federal forests and grasslands.

Officials said Wednesday their intent was to improve the forest management rules approved by the Clinton administration two months before President Bush (news - web sites) took office. Democrats accused the administration of undoing environmental safeguards that protect forests and the wildlife within them.

Eight senators and seven House members complained in a letter to Forest Service Chief Dale Bosworth that the new measures "establish no minimum standard for protecting species, no rigorous procedures for ecological studies and, in fact, no solid protections for wildlife and environmental sustainability."

The proposal would give local and regional managers of the U.S. Forest Service more discretion to approve logging, drilling and mining operations without having to conduct formal scientific investigations into their impact on plant and animal life.

"A lot has changed in the last 30 years," said Sally Collins, the Forest Service's associate chief. "This new rule cuts out a lot of red tape."

Collins said land management plans for each forest or grassland now typically take up to seven years to complete because of requirements for detailed scientific studies and other paperwork. She estimated that the Forest Service could save 30 cents on every dollar now spent on what she said are often duplicating efforts.

"This is fundamentally a process that doesn't need a long detailed analysis," she said. Asked if the changes would result in more logging, she replied, "We can't say it's going up or down or sideways or the same."

The proposal, crafted with White House oversight, described the Clinton rules as too complicated and "neither straightforward nor easy to implement."

Chris West, vice president of the timber industry's American Forest Resource Council in Portland, Ore., said the proposal restores a common-sense approach to balancing environmental and economic interests.

"What you're not going to have is a bunch of time wasted and opportunities for environmentalists to be obstructionist at a macro-planning level," West said. "To think we can maintain every species on every acre is just a fantasy."

Environmental groups asserted that forest managers will now be allowed to make decisions about timbering and mining activities with less public involvement.

"It's a blatant effort by the Bush administration to boost logging and help the timber industry, which had a clear hand on the pen of these regulations," said Robert Dewey, vice president of Defenders of Wildlife.

The rule making is the latest administration measure to allow more timbering in national forests. Bush and Western lawmakers in both parties pushed measures in Congress this year to cut down excess trees they blamed for fueling wildfires that blackened more than 6.5 million acres this year.

Last year, the new administration declined to appeal a judge's decision overturning Clinton regulations putting nearly 60 million acres of undeveloped forestland off limits to roadbuilding and timbering.

The new proposal would specifically allow local federal forestry officials to develop or alter management plans for the land they supervise without having to first conduct an in-depth environmental impact study.

The administration said those management plans are essentially a zoning document, and that it would be better to conduct environmental studies on a case-by-case basis when specific threats to wildlife are anticipated. A regional forester, however, still could decide that a management plan itself has significant environmental impacts, triggering the need for a study.

Specific standards and procedures for maintaining and monitoring wildlife populations would be eliminated, with broad goals substituted in their place.

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1 posted on 11/27/2002 2:57:05 PM PST by Sparta
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To: Sparta; madfly; farmfriend; WaterDragon; forester; Carry_Okie; Ernest_at_the_Beach; EBUCK; AuntB; ..
More bad news for the anti America/American Watermelon Jihadists.

Thanks!
2 posted on 11/27/2002 2:59:41 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
This is good news. I'm hoping that Bush (and his brother for that matter) realized that these freaks are not his friends and will bash the crap out of him no matter what he does.

Hence he could go a long way and make aquire much political capital by relegated them to sidelines and solidifying the support of farmers, landowners, resource industries and other land based communities. They're his natutal supporters, and it's just the right thing to do.

I have to say I'm pleasantly surprised with his handling of the enviros. He needs to give his brother some pointers.

3 posted on 11/27/2002 3:07:59 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: Sparta
Democrats accused the administration of undoing environmental safeguards that protect forests and the wildlife within them.

Quote...

"Stroke of the pen...law of the land! Kinda cool!"

How's it feel NOW that the shoe is on the other foot, you socialist cannon fodder?

Time to bring back ALL their quotes from that corrupt Klinton regime, and throw them in their faces!

5 posted on 11/27/2002 3:25:18 PM PST by Itzlzha
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To: AAABEST
Hopefully now that Jeb has been re elected, he can start doing the right things with these envirals like his brother GW is doing out front and behind the scenes.

You can't believe the screaming that the envirals are doing out here in Kali and Oregon land. They are being taken on by people who were their allies and contributors up to recently.

A lot of the vineyard owners and winery people have been big time donors and car carrying green weenies. Now they are under attack from Club Sierra and other envirals who want protection money or shut down their vineyards and wineries.

You know my tactful ways. I'm brutal with these people. I tell them that they backed these anti American Watermelons when it was ranchers, loggers, farmers and fishers being screwed, now it is their time to be screwed and maybe be put out business. Why should I and others help elite wine makers unless they take on the Club Sierras with all they can do.

Some of these reformed former green weenies are now even more strident against the watermelon jihadists than I am, now that their livelihood and private property is being endangered.

We just got approval for a new power plant to be built that the Clintoon disapproved here in California. The envirals are going nuts on this one.

Besides doing the right things like this logging issue, the new power plant, drilling for new oil and natural gas in Alaska, GW will strip the Opecker financing of these Watermelon Jihadists next year. Nothing will be said, but we will see these Green Jihadists merging and disappearing without Opecker blood money to keep them going.

Keep us posted on your wars with the envirals and the awakening of Jeb on this issue.
6 posted on 11/27/2002 3:26:18 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
SwEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bush just went up on my list......let's just hopre that he pushes this thru!!!!!!!

Thanks G'Pa!

EBUCK
7 posted on 11/27/2002 3:32:09 PM PST by EBUCK
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To: Sparta
Until they classify the smoke from forest fires as pollution just like the smoke from my wood stove and put USFS firecrews on straight salary just like any big city fire dept., their MO will continue to be "the more trees we burn, the more green we earn".
8 posted on 11/27/2002 3:32:10 PM PST by yoswif
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To: Grampa Dave
Some of these reformed former green weenies are now even more strident against the watermelon jihadists than I am, now that their livelihood and private property is being endangered.

The thing I keep hearing from people in the property rights movement is that most people don't get involved until it's their ass on the line.

Keep us posted on your wars with the envirals and the awakening of Jeb on this issue.

I think we're making some headway. We've been in contact the FL DEP and the people at the top are actually listening to us now. Not only listening, but probably going to take substantial action on a particular issue we're dealing with.

6 months ago this would have been impossible. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

9 posted on 11/27/2002 3:43:18 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: Sparta
LET THE CUTTING BEGIN AND THE SOUND OF SCREAMING TREES!HA!
10 posted on 11/27/2002 3:46:24 PM PST by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: EBUCK
GW will work on this logging issue behind the scenes and in front. According a report that I got from an Oregon contact, the enviral whackos are trying prevent any logging in the burnt areas as usual.

They should be put in prison for child abuse because of the high unemployment which they contribute to with policies like no logging in burnt areas. Andy Kerr should be driven out of Oregon and made to live in Cuba or North Korea.

I am trying to figure out how to get up to the bill board finale without getting in the dog house from my wife, DIL, grand kids and son. That is why I haven't contacted you on it. We/they have about 6 things scheduled that weekend from getting our Christmas trees to other things that I don't want to miss. We are talking about a non stop 6-7 hour trip back for me. I will keep you posted.
11 posted on 11/27/2002 3:47:33 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
"More bad news for the anti America/American Watermelon Jihadists."

Right-on Dave!

I say, give it chance, it will take a little time to defang the wacko left, maybe they'll turn on themselves? :o)

12 posted on 11/27/2002 3:48:45 PM PST by blackie
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To: AAABEST
WOW! This sounds like good news and a big turn around:

I think we're making some headway. We've been in contact the FL DEP and the people at the top are actually listening to us now. Not only listening, but probably going to take substantial action on a particular issue we're dealing with.

6 months ago this would have been impossible. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

What caused the change.

Re people not moving against the enviralist and getting on our side re property rights, the elites and most suburbanites just laugh at those who suffer from Rural Cleansing until it slaps their A$$es. That is what is happening in elite Wine country right now.

13 posted on 11/27/2002 3:51:43 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: blackie
I have been calling the rat party the New Donner Party #2. They are starting to feed on each other. When their money sources dry up and their power disappears with the new congress this coming January. They will turn on each other like rabid dogs. It will be a great sight to see.
14 posted on 11/27/2002 3:55:10 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: INSENSITIVE GUY
Yes, let's sharpen the blades and turn up those chainsaws, time to let'er rip!
15 posted on 11/27/2002 3:56:16 PM PST by blackie
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To: blackie
Oops...tune up the chainsaws... :o)
16 posted on 11/27/2002 3:58:33 PM PST by blackie
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To: Grampa Dave
The rats are gnawing on each other now, the whole gang of freaks will implode, very soon...
17 posted on 11/27/2002 4:00:29 PM PST by blackie
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To: blackie; Grampa Dave; Carry_Okie
I say, give it chance, it will take a little time to defang the wacko left, maybe they'll turn on themselves? :o)

They already are to some degree. Some groups are wondering why they don't get funds from the land trusts. Answer: They don't act as they're expected, to attain the goals of the financers. Those goals could range from socialist power grabs to actions to disable competitors.

In any case the financing has little or nothing to do with saving the environment.

One thing good about the downturn in the economy is that much of the "Rockefeller" funding that the envirals were getting is drying up. A microcosm is psycho-boy Ted Turner cutting way back and not taking any new projects on.

I'd love to talk more about the disgusting and anti-American land grab grant process (both public and private) but it would take all day and I'd be ill by the time I was done.

18 posted on 11/27/2002 4:02:47 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: AAABEST
These are words of wisdom that a lot of conservatives have not noticed this past year: One thing good about the downturn in the economy is that much of the "Rockefeller" funding that the envirals were getting is drying up. A microcosm is psycho-boy Ted Turner cutting way back and not taking any new projects on.

A lot of the Arthur Andersen companies which went belly up or nearly belly up this year, were huge Rat donors and donors to these Watermelon groups.

There has been no money to donate from these companies and failed CEOs. How much money will Martha Stewart have to donate next year. She was one of the top DNC donors before her world came down.

So when these Rat controlled and led companies go belly up or near belly up, they have less money to donate to the dark side.

19 posted on 11/27/2002 4:10:14 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: AAABEST
"One thing good about the downturn in the economy is that much of the "Rockefeller" funding that the envirals were getting is drying up. A microcosm is psycho-boy Ted Turner cutting way back and not taking any new projects on."

Right-on and those door to door, greenie beggars won't be getting the $$$ they usually get...people gotta eat before they give up $$$ to protect endangered weeds and bugs... ;o)

20 posted on 11/27/2002 4:15:11 PM PST by blackie
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