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1 posted on 11/26/2002 6:25:02 PM PST by Sparta
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To: Sparta
The Crusades didn't last for centuries. Only one of them had any success and it held on for about 128 years. In the end the knights were allowed by Salaldeen to return to their ancestral homes in France.

The Reconquista, which happened in Spain, and which was not a Crusade, did last for centuries. It ended in 1492.

2 posted on 11/26/2002 6:30:26 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: sphinx; Toirdhealbheach Beucail; curmudgeonII; roderick; Notforprophet; river rat; csvset; ...
West vs the Religion of Peace ping!!

Battle of Lepanto.
3 posted on 11/26/2002 6:35:27 PM PST by Sparta
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Another who took part in the great battle of Lepanto, Miguel de Cervantes, lived longer to write his famous tribute to Christian chivalry, Don Quixote.

It would perhaps be more accurate to describe Don Quixote as a parody of Christian chivalry. Cervantes would have been quite at home on Saturday Night Live.

6 posted on 11/26/2002 7:32:28 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Sparta
bump
7 posted on 11/26/2002 7:56:16 PM PST by Diago
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To: Sparta
Would you add me please? Thanks.

Victor Davis Hanson has a fine chapter on Lepanto in His Carnage and Culture: Landmark Battles in the Rise of Western Civilization.

8 posted on 11/26/2002 8:53:36 PM PST by onedoug
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A little bit of useless trivia here:If memory serves me correctly, Cervantes lost his hand during the battle of Lepanto, and became known as the man of le mancha(sp?). I believe it's translated into the man with one hand in english.
10 posted on 11/26/2002 9:06:58 PM PST by MattinNJ
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To: Sparta
Viewing the world today in light of this article,it is no wonder Pope John Paul II is trying so hard to exhort, suggest,request,encourage and convince Catholics to pray the Rosary more often.

It seems far more likely that prayers to God will be more effective than planning or threatening to enter every Moslem nation that appears to pose a threat or house some band of terrorists. I cannot imagine a more certain way to ensure that terrorist attacks will increase than to try to show over a billion Muslims,spread all over the world,including our own country, who's boss.I call this present plan,MAD;mutually assured destruction.

I prefer the Lepanto Plan!!

12 posted on 11/26/2002 10:02:54 PM PST by saradippity
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To: Sparta
Please add me to your list. Thanks!
17 posted on 11/27/2002 4:39:31 AM PST by TxBec
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To: Sparta
Add me to your list, please.
19 posted on 11/27/2002 5:33:27 AM PST by RightOnline
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Sign me up too.

Our Lady of Guadalupe bump!

20 posted on 11/27/2002 5:33:30 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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Please add me to the list.

Thanks.
24 posted on 11/27/2002 9:40:55 AM PST by profmike23
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Their ships ruled the Mediterranean Sea from the Strait of Bosporus to the Strait of Gibraltar and constantly preyed on Christian vessels unless they flew the French flag.

The more things change.....

25 posted on 11/27/2002 9:41:29 AM PST by r9etb
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historical battle ping
26 posted on 11/27/2002 9:45:58 AM PST by Vic3O3
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in 1683 the Moslems again swept into Europe. With 200,000 men, they laid siege to Vienna. After months of valiant resistance by a small garrison, the city was relieved by an army under John Sobieski, King of Poland. The Rosary, to which the King was dedicated, was again instrumental in a military victory. Pope Innocent XI consecrated September 12 of that year to the Holy Name of Mary

The battle was won on September 11th--adn 318 years later, the Muslims took their revenge at New York City.

28 posted on 11/27/2002 10:21:02 AM PST by ninenot
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Read Chesterton's poem, "Lepanto

Excerpt, about Don John of Austria, the leader of the fleet attacking the Turkish Moslems:

It is he that saith not 'Kismet'; it is he that knows not Fate;
It is Richard, it is Raymond, it is Godfrey at the gate!
It is he whose loss is laughter when he counts the wager worth,
Put down your feet upon him, that our peace be on the earth."
For he heard drums groaning and he heard guns jar,
(Don John of Austria is going to the war.)
Sudden and still--hurrah!
Bolt from Iberia!

Lots of good analogies to today, as well as some of the most glorious, blood-thumping, adventure-laden language in all of poetry.

Full text at: http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Alley/5443/leppoem.htm

30 posted on 11/27/2002 11:18:49 AM PST by BohDaThone
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To: Sparta
Lepanto bump, and Jan Sobieski bump too!

Without him and his winged hussars, who knows how things would have turned out?

32 posted on 11/27/2002 3:16:32 PM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: Sparta
BUMP
33 posted on 11/27/2002 3:25:04 PM PST by Publius6961
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bump to read later
40 posted on 11/27/2002 11:29:17 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: Sparta
what is needed is another El Cid.
43 posted on 11/28/2002 2:40:13 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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Some food for thought...

"4. Reform under Grand Vezir Mehmed Sokullu (1565-1579). Sokullu's devsirme party allied with Harem party led by Roxelana (Hurrem Sultan) and party of Jewish bankers led by Dona Gracia Mendes and Don Joseph Nasi. Manages to get Suleyman Kanuni to execute capable son Mustafa and bring to throne incompetent degenerate son Selim II 'the sot'-Sari Selim (Selim the Yellow), Sarhos Selim (Selim the Drunkard). Don Joseph gets Selim II and Sokullu to conquer Cyprus to provide home for Jews fleeing from persecution in Europe. Settlement of East Anatolian Turkomans instead. Leads to formation of new Holy League fleet led by Don Juan of Austria, defeats Ottoman, fleet at Battle of Lepanto (1571). Sokullu rebuilds fleet during winter, regains control of Mediterranean in 1572. Makes major administrative reforms, restores tax system, eliminates corrupt officials. Ottomans complete conquest of Yemen, Gulf fleet restores International trade routes from Far East through Middle East. Ottomans complete conquests of Caucasus, Georgia and Armenia. Successes lead to fall of Sokullu, resumption of decay."

HISTORY OF THE TURKS

45 posted on 11/28/2002 3:43:26 PM PST by F-117A
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