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To: mrustow
The Western tradition of laws is rooted in the Commandments. Deception to obtain confessions is a relative novelty, and is mostly needed due to the overload caused by the Drug War. To me, this is a minor point, but I think Free Tally has a point: it is reasonable for reasonable people to have a problem with deception in interrogations in criminal cases. It does not rest on the foundations of our laws.
79 posted on 11/27/2002 4:26:38 PM PST by eno_
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To: eno_
Deception to obtain confessions is a relative novelty, and is mostly needed due to the overload caused by the Drug War.

This is true. The WoD is also responsible for such evils as psoriasis, bad winter tides, Firestone Wilderness AT tires, Gilligan Island reruns, and that missed putt on the 17th.

When the WoD is ended, all evil and injistice will end. There will be harmony and understanding, sympathy and trust abounding, no more falsehoods or derisions, golden living dreams of visions, mystic crystal revelation, and the mind's true liberation.

I know. I read about it in a book of prohecies by Donovan.

81 posted on 11/28/2002 3:12:53 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: eno_
The Western tradition of laws is rooted in the Commandments.

The West has a number of legal traditions, rooted in: Judaism, ancient Athens, Roman Law, Christianity (papal decrees, philosopher-theologians, etc.), English Common law, the Code Napoleon, etc. (P.S. The Bible contains a lot more rules than just the Big Ten.)

Deception to obtain confessions is a relative novelty, and is mostly needed due to the overload caused by the Drug War. To me, this is a minor point, but I think Free Tally has a point: it is reasonable for reasonable people to have a problem with deception in interrogations in criminal cases. It does not rest on the foundations of our laws.

I'm glad you brought up the WOD, which to me is a major issue. Many probelms involving the police overstepping the laws stem directly from the WOD. The racial profiling hoax also derives whatever puny justifcation it has, from the WOD. The problem with even that puny, occasional legitimate point, is that black leaders -- the same folks who demand that cops kiss the behinds of black gangsters -- are the biggest supporters of the WOD.

However, Free Tally does NOT have a point. (I was hoping not to have to discuss FT again.) He first tried a veiled Biblical argument against using deception in police interrogations. Later, he admitted that he had just used the Biblical reference to get over, explaining that such arguments tend to be accepted at FR. Thus, FT used deception to try and win an argument against using deception. He then told us that his justification of the moment is the "common law." Whatever. Check back in 15 for his next justification.

Back at #24, Poobah said it simpler, and since he invoked neither "the Bible" nor the "common law," there's no danger of later finding out that he'd employed deception:

If you expect the citizenry to turn square corners in their dealings with the government, then the government must turn square corners in its dealings with its citizenry.

82 posted on 11/28/2002 3:47:52 PM PST by mrustow
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