The War on the Police

Middle American News/A Different drummer ^ | December, 2002 | Nicholas Stix

[Lloyd227]

"Cop Killer Confesses, Brags Online"

Yeah? so what?

Lot's of people die every day. Many in the course of performing their jobs.

Cops are NOT special and it's time they let go of the prima donna attitudes about it.

[lavaroise]

What did you do to fight war starting terrorists? What are you willing to do to end the war? People in America have never wanted to give due credit to US troops for keeping or making the peace in confidence. I will trust US troops over any constitutionalist lawyer out there.

[lavaroise]

The police can't be called on by military commanders, because they obey a civilian chain of command, and answer to civilian laws, while soldiers obey a military chain of command, and answer to the Uniform Military Code of Justice. Mixing the two up would wreak havoc.

Pity that Al Qaeda can do that and we cant.

[dljordan]

Take a look at the FEMA website and you will see that under a national emergency police can be "Federalized". They have been increasingly militarized for years as you can see by their penchant for wearing combat fatigues whenever possible as if they're going to be asked to jump into Normandy at any moment. There is a movement afoot to standardize police training and procedures in accordance with Fedaral government policy.

[Landru]

Yea we're all in a stinkeen mess, alright.
By & large due to our own fault, I hate to say.

Forgive me but my memory has totally failed me in recalling this guy's name; BUT, there was once a meek, mild mannered Electrical Engineer who lived in NYCity & regularly used the public xportation system to get hither & fro'.

Anyway, he'd been harrased, beaten, mugged -- & on a number of occasions, mind you -- & naturally, the cops couldn't, wouldn't and/or didn't do a damned thing for this guy.

Well, *one* day he'd decided he'd had enough.

He decided he wasn't going to live his life in abject fear of the societal animals & misfits who're really out there running amok on the loose, anymore.
So?
In SPITE of NY's strict anti-gun laws, he bought himself a weapon & began to carry it everywhere to protect himself.

Well sure enough, one night on the way home from his job on the subway?
A pack of 4, maybe 5 animals decided he *looked* like an, "easy mark" and proceeded to ask this man for his wallet.
Now here's where it gets really fuzzy because as the facts go he either refuses them, or, voluntarily gives his wallet to one of these thugs.
Then he nonchalantly pulls out his weapon & wastes 'em right there & then.
I recall this man had been driven to such an extreme breaking point of pent-up anger & frustration he was probably at that moment quite insane becuase he even asked one of the -- now hemmoraging thugs laying these gasping -- "You want another one, good! Here." & >kapow!<
He drilled the asshole, again.

By now people around watching this going down have fled; and, so he's alone [then], right?
He casually puts his weapon back in his jacket & walks right out the door & on home to eat his dinner.

There was a hue & cry unlike anything heard in a long time in the Big Apple, about this.
Naturally, the Lamestream quisling mediots tried ever-so-hard to make this mild -- almost pathetic -- little man (the LEA's had a "manhunt" out for) to be some kind of another,"Son of Sam" David Burkowitz type out *hunting* poor downtrodden minority males.

Had it not been for this man's conscious compelling him to turn himself in?
They'd still be looking for this guy.
I don't think he was convicted of anything much more serious than being in possession of a weapon within NYCity limits when all was said & done; &, rightfully so

But I'll tell you this right here & now.
Should this kind of behavior -- by one racial class or any combination thereof -- *suddenly* discover it's "en vogue" for them to go out & terroize another peoples; whereby, said people enmasse become as threatened as this man had?

Look out.

People will quickly *figure* out what needs to be done, alright; &, whether the *authorities* like it, or not.
Those who cannot muster the courage will remain inside their homes, behind their locked doors.

...prisoners of their own fear.

[mrustow]

That was Bernard Goetz, who has been demonized by the media unto this day, as "the subway vigilante," when in fact all he was doing was defending himself. Four young black men surrounded him; one brandishing a screwdriver or ice pick (a deadly weapon) "asked" him for five dollars. According to the law, that's an attempted mugging, and would have simply been a mugging, had Goetz cooperated.

(The Goetz case may have been the turning point, when newspapers started speaking of muggers "requesting" that a victim turn over his money, in order to eliminate the distinction between robbery and beggary.)

You're right, Landru; he should never have turned himself in. He was convicted of illegal possession of a firearm, and may have (I'm not sure) spent a year inside. A few years later, Goetz, already penniless from his ordeal, was sued in civil court by the young man he shot twice and lost, to the tune of, I believe, $2,000,000.

About five years later (ca. 1989), a middle-aged white man being beaten and robbed by a black gang, drew his weapon and killed one robber. For weeks thereafter, the NYPD pleaded with the man to turn himself in, but he fortunately had the good sense to ignore the cops.

[mrustow]

The part about black jurors refusing to convict black defendants is a real enough issue. It's also a cultural problem and has little to do with any perceived "war on cops".

How is the refusal by a substantial group to respect the law a "cultural problem"? I know of legal problems and I know of religious problems, but the phrase "cultural problem" is frequently used today by people who want the clout of a religious problem, but who know that they have no religious issue to raise. And of course it has to do with the very real war on cops.

But what the hell am I doing, arguing with someone who hasn't even taken the trouble to read the damned article?

And you're defining "black supremacy" as "conscience"?! I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at that, coming from someone who talks of "cultural problems."

[Lloyd227]

Jury Nullification is my only point. It's the last vestige a free society has left to protect citizens from an overbearing government (IF that were to become a problem). My point was that I'd rather let criminals walk than to lose the right to Jury Nullification.

My point by using the term "cultural issue" is that this certainly is NOT a legal issue (unless of course your intent is to end my right to Jury Nullification). It's definitely NOT a religious issue. Black jurors refusing to convict black defendants is primarily a racial issue, but with the added tones created in a welfare society which continually celebrates "victims". That, to me is most definitely a cultural issue.

Repeat once more... Black jurors refusing to convict a black defendant is absolutely NOT a legal issue. Every jury has the legal right to refuse to convict.

If you intend to challenge that right, my intent will forever be to challenge every attempt you make.

[Lloyd227]

"People in America have never wanted to give due credit to US troops for keeping or making the peace in confidence. I will trust US troops over any constitutionalist lawyer out there."

This debate is about the police. This debate is NOT about the military.

Unless your goal is to militarize the police.

God help us if we slide any further down that slope.

[Mark17]

You're right, Landru; he should never have turned himself in.

I am not 100% sure of this, but I heard that when Goetz saw a police sketch of himself in the news paper, it was so accurate, he felt he had no choice but to turn himself in. That's the rumor I heard.

[BraveMan]

The alarm bells are again noisily ringing, reminding us we have things to do today. As I misdeal the day, I peruse a little weeklong Brewtown North Side snapshot of events:

Nov. 19, 2002 - Mourners hold vigil for slain minister
Nov. 20, 2002 - Teen pleads guilty in slaying of neighbor, 72
Nov. 21, 2002 - Woman, 68, shot dead in robbery attempt
Nov. 23, 2002 - Man, 27, killed near 13th St., Capitol Drive
Nov. 24, 2002 - Man, 22, gets life for robbery gone wrong
Nov. 25, 2002 - Boy, 15, must stand trial in brutal killing of Young

Milwaukee's resident race-baiter editorialist would have you believe the blame lies with the performance of the assigned LEO's (or lack thereof), that demanding parental responsibility for the demon spawn is just a "feelgood" notion, and that "Civic Leaders" & "Society" has failed these poor youths.

As the cries for wake-up calls are shouted from the rooftops of the media, the mantra is always sickeningly the same. Not once is the blame affixed to the perps unless some sort of mitigating circumstance is mentioned as a prologue or epilogue.

I ask you; just exactly who requires the wakeup call here?

[mrustow]

Thanks for the post.

There's no such thing as "society"; society is just people. And as for relying on "civic leaders," most civic leaders are crooks. Crooks are supposed to keep thugs in line?

A society that relies on "civic leaders" (even the less crooked ones) as a first line of defense, is finished. The first line of defense should be a mother's voice, saying "Don't do that!"; the second line is the back of a father's hand. And when a child knows that Line Two is around, he's much more likely to pay heed to Line One.

The area in question exemplifies what used to be known as the "rotten borough problem."

[mrustow]

"Cop Killer Confesses, Brags Online"

Yeah? so what?

Lot's of people die every day. Many in the course of performing their jobs.

Cops are NOT special and it's time they let go of the prima donna attitudes about it.

Oh, I get it -- we have to start caring less about cops getting killed. Yeah, that's the ticket -- not!

[mrustow]

You're right, Landru; he should never have turned himself in.

I am not 100% sure of this, but I heard that when Goetz saw a police sketch of himself in the news paper, it was so accurate, he felt he had no choice but to turn himself in. That's the rumor I heard.

You may be right, Mark, in which case I take back what I said.

[George Frm Br00klyn Park]

BUMP!!!

[Lloyd227]

"...-- we have to start caring less about cops getting killed. "

I never said "less". I just get sick of all the cheerleaders trying to make me care more. They're the same as the rest of us, no more and no less.

[Astro Boy]

Maybe it's time to take the law into our own hands...

For a liberal lawyer, he serves the same punishment as the perp.

How's that for starters?

[mrustow]

BUMPBACKATCHA!

[Demidog]

The police have been engaged in a war on the populice for quite some time. In war there is casualties. Them's the breaks.

[Victoria Delsoul]

There is no question that the police have a tough and dangerous job, and that most encounters between the police and the public have ended peacefully. However, due to police brutality and excessive force towards some minorities in the past and allegations of abuse, deaths in custody and unjustified shootings; minorities, blacks in particular are using this argument as an excuse to exercise their own abusive and ill-treatment towards the police. Furthermore, Liberal politicians and leftist judges who by nature look down at the police are making their job increasingly difficult to perform.