The War on the Police

Middle American News/A Different drummer ^ | December, 2002 | Nicholas Stix

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De-Policing in America's Cities: Erasing the "Thin Blue Line"

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[lavaroise]

We need to start thinking in terms of war condition rank and not jurisdictions anymore. The police could have a dual role of being called upon solely by the commander in chief or some Pentagon official during emergencies and specific terror targets, while maintaining the same civil rights structures as usual for other matters. otherwise we risk puting war material in peace time books and peace time material in war time ledgers. It's nonsense, call the militia.

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[Grampa Dave]

Excellent and a scary article.

For a look at a cop killed by a whacko please go to this thread. Be sure to read the last replies about the killer and how he bragged about it online at a site in San Francisco: (Young police officer gunned down by cop hater in Red Bluff, Kali.)

[mrustow]

The police can't be called on by military commanders, because they obey a civilian chain of command, and answer to civilian laws, while soldiers obey a military chain of command, and answer to the Uniform Military Code of Justice. Mixing the two up would wreak havoc.

[FreeTally]

The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that police may legally use cunning and deception in interrogating suspects. Police may lie to suspects, telling them that they possess evidence incriminating the suspects, or that witnesses or accomplices have made statements incriminating them.

Yeh, another great Supreme Court decision.(sarcasm)

The demand that all interrogations be videotaped, is based on the knowledge that many jurors -- especially urban blacks -- will find such practices repugnant, and use them as a pretext for acquitting guilty defendants.

Awwww, poor coppers. You mean they have to follow laws too?? Say it aint so.

A videotaping requirement would also bog down manpower and money in the procuring, taping, cataloguing and storing of videotapes,

Yeh, cameras are soooooooo expensive and cataloging them is such a chore. I mean, justice just isn't worth the hassle.

and cause detectives to censor themselves during interrogations, thus compromising their effectiveness.

LOL!!! A cop is afraid to say or do something on camera, and that is a bad thing?? Are you telling me a cop would hold back on 100% legal methods because he/she is being taped? Get real.

As one prosecutor said, videotaping would make it impossible to get convictions via confessions -- which is the point.

One prosecuter covering for the others. Videotaping would make sure everyone is telling the truth about the interogation.

Further, amid specious claims of "coerced confessions,...."

Hmmm, claims of coerced confessions are "specious"? Yep, no truth to any of them, I'm sure.

the requirement that all future interrogations be videotaped would be used, ex post facto, to re-open the cases of the justly convicted, in order to get new trials with suppressed confessions, which would lead to many of America's most vicious criminals being released to rape and murder again.

Yep, there you have it folks! If interogations were taped, then no criminal could ever get convicted! Society would collapse if police had to carry this "heavy burden". LOL!!!

Some of the author's points are valid, but he is off his rocker here and sounds just like all the "law and order apologists".

[eno_]

The leftist crap is clearly bad, but what's wrong with videotaping interrogations? Indeed, the public should have access to as many government functions as possible. All government functions that have no classified national security could now be economically recorded so that bias, collusion, graft, corruption, and simple waste could be monitored in all government functions. Openness is good! (Indeed most people would be so horrified to see what goes on in government, it would pretty quickly be a fraction of the size it is now if it were more open.)

[mrustow]

Cop Killer Confesses, Brags Online

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You have eliminated the distinction between lawful and unlawful interrogation methods.

[mrustow]

Thanks for the link. I think it says much about our times, that a cop killer feels emboldened to brag about his crime. Time was, no one would brag about such a crime -- in public.

[FreeTally]

You have eliminated the distinction between lawful and unlawful interrogation methods.

I'm not sure what you mean. Please elaborate.

[Squantos]

Wall to Wall Counseling BTTT !..........Stay Safe !

[eno_]

The "system" of obtaining confessions is no system at all. It encourages abuse. Just remember this: If you are smart enough to keep your yap shut, and have $50k in the bank to pay a criminal lawyer, you can get away with most anything as long as you were not videotaped dancing in a pool of your victim's blood. The murder solution rate is below 70% on average, and most other crimes have much lower solution rate and reporting rate. Until the police are focused on the crime that matters (hint: it isn't the Drug War, which is what created our overloaded system of snitches and intimidation tactics) and are forced to go through an open and adversarial process, "justice" is a joke.

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks for the link. Isn't this scariest posting on an internet site that you have read? (Pyscho Killer of Red Bluff Policeman brags about the slaying on internet site)

This brutal slaying of a young police officer is vivid proof of what the left wing has done to our police officers since the 1960/70's as per this thread you posted.