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To: #3Fan
The tribes went through the Caucusus and Turkey.

LOL!

So you're telling me they named the area after the bird, and then named another bird after a mistaken identification with a third bird thought to live in the area? Is that your claim?

BTW, it wasn't called Turkey back then.

The same way the world speaks English now. When in Rome...

Except that the Celts didn't speak Latin, they spoke languages related to Latin. Some still speak the old Celtic languages, and the rest speak Germanic languages, which are also related to but also obviously aren't Latin. So it would be like speaking Dutch because English is the predominent language.

BTW, Latin wasn't the dominent language yet when the Celts showed up.

165 posted on 11/27/2002 4:39:38 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: A.J.Armitage
LOL! So you're telling me they named the area after the bird, and then named another bird after a mistaken identification with a third bird thought to live in the area? Is that your claim?

No, there's only one situation where the tookee is mentioned in the bible and that's the story of Solomon's mines. I believe that Solomon being the wisest man ever was able to use his wisdom to know where the purest gold was in the world and to know where the best wood for musical instruments was in the world. That of course is in South America where both the best gold in the world existed and where the best wood for instruments was located, the Brazilian Redwood. It's conceivable that if the returning ships used the currents of the Atlantic to return that they could've picked up some North American turkeys and the ancient name was passed down almost in it's pure pronunciation. The bible says that it was these gold mining ships that brought this wood back and that's the only time in the history of Israel and Judah that that this kind of wood was in Israel, so it couldn't have been from any tree nearby, relatively speaking. I believe Turkey is named after some other work, pronounced Turkyea or something like that in ancient times. I don't see the importance of it. You said the word turkey had it's roots in Turkey. That would make sense since that's one of the routes a segment of the tribes took to Europe, although most went through the Caucusus. The bird turkey and the country Turkey are two different words obviously. We spell them the same as a fluke of our language.

BTW, it wasn't called Turkey back then.

I didn't mention the obvious, I guess I should've for you.

Except that the Celts didn't speak Latin, they spoke languages related to Latin. Some still speak the old Celtic languages, and the rest speak Germanic languages, which are also related to but also obviously aren't Latin. So it would be like speaking Dutch because English is the predominent language. BTW, Latin wasn't the dominent language yet when the Celts showed up.

All the modern languages are similar. If not for modern media and modern transportation, the Cajuns would probably have their own language by now different from the rest of America.

If you don't want to believe that's fine with me. It's bible prophecy anyway. The bible says that Israel will not know who they are in the last days. I like discussing this with like-minded people. If you don't have an ear for it, then you don't have an ear for it.

169 posted on 11/27/2002 5:08:48 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: A.J.Armitage; LostTribe; #3Fan; VadeRetro; PaulKersey; Little Bill
I'll add my two cents worth.

I've read the linguists have traced the origin of all Indo-European languages back to Anatolia. In the period 5,000-6,000BC this whole area was dry and arid. Any humans living there were huddled around the fresh water Black Sea, fishing and irrigation farming.
Then in 5,600BC, the 'dam' at the Bosporus collapsed and flooded the Black Sea (Noah's Flood?) with salt water, all villages and farm land are now 350 feet underwater.
This was a catastrophy of enormous impact, we're still talking about it 7,500 years later.

Now, this saltwater flooding would have made refugees of almost everyone in the area and they would have streamed up the river valleys into Europe (and elsewhere) displacing everyone in their path. This group of people probably brought their language and introduced farming to Europe and Mesopatamia, even to East Central China as the Tocharians.(See 'Cherchen Man')

I believe these people would eventually become to be known as the Celts, Phoenicians, Scythians, Tocharians and later Picts after mixing some with the Chinese in the Tarim Basin of China and re-migrating. The Xiongnu, in China, were the oriental version of the Picts

In fact, some of these people may have made it all the way to Japan and eventually become known as the Jomon and Ainu....maybe even the Hakka Chinese.

These 'Black Sea' folks are the anscestors of all the folks you all have been fussing about.

179 posted on 11/27/2002 5:34:04 PM PST by blam
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To: A.J.Armitage
This theory about the "lost" tribes going through Turkey comes from those who know about the Galatians in "Turkey" (actually, what was then known as Asia or Anatolia), but who apparently don't know how the Celtic-speaking Galatians got there, illustrating once again that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Every historical record that we have from the Greeks, Romans, and others shows that the Celts were native to northern Europe, and invaded Greece and Anatolia through the Balkans - ie, moving from north to south. There are no historical records of Celts invading Europe from the other direction. Every scrap of archeological knowledge we have supports the views of the ancient Greek and Roman historians and writers on this point.

Pretending that the Celts suddenly "appeared" in Europe circa 600BC or so is not unlike claiming that the ancient Egyptians suddenly "appeared" in Egypt shortly before the pyramids were built, having been brought there by aliens in space ships: in other words, a very "entertaining" version of events, but not one supported by the evidence. Of course, knowing what is and what is not evidence takes a lot more effort and study than most people are willing to put up with, so the "entertaining" theory will always find a ready and willing group of believers.

191 posted on 11/27/2002 6:03:42 PM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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