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Naval Academy Eyes Computer Misuse
wire.ap.org ^ | 11/25/2002

Posted on 11/25/2002 1:19:23 PM PST by GeneD

ANNAPOLIS, Md. (AP) — The Naval Academy has seized more than 90 computers in an investigation into whether midshipmen illegally downloaded music, movies and software from the Internet.

Cmdr. Bill Spann, an academy spokesman, confirmed Monday that an investigation into what material is on the computers was under way. He would not give any other details.

Punishment for illegally possessing copyrighted material ranges from restrictions such as loss of leave to expulsion from the academy, Spann said.

The raid on dormitory rooms took place Thursday while midshipmen were in class, according to The (Annapolis) Capital, which reported the seizure on Saturday.

Each of the 4,000 midshipmen is issued a computer upon entering the academy. The cost is deducted from midshipmen's monthly paychecks over the four years they are in school.

Amanda Collins, a spokeswoman for the Recording Industry Association of America, said entertainment industry and educational associations have sent two letters to colleges and universities around the country, asking them to address Internet piracy and establish policies against it.

An Oct. 3 letter from groups representing the motion picture and music industries asked college presidents to monitor use of student computers.

The recording industry estimates that more than 2.6 billion music files are downloaded illegally each month, usually through unlicensed services.

CD sales fell more than 5 percent in 2001 and dipped another 1 percent in the first half of this year, according to the RIAA.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: digitalcopying; internet; mpaa; riaa; usnavalacademy
Looks like Jack Valenti and Hilary Rosen want to run the service academies. Today Annapolis, tomorrow -- the UNIVERSE!!
1 posted on 11/25/2002 1:19:23 PM PST by GeneD
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To: GeneD
I am no fan of the recording or movie industry, but at Annapolis there is the matter of the Honor Concept in which Midshipmen are not to lie, cheat, or steal.
2 posted on 11/25/2002 1:25:22 PM PST by Credo
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To: Credo
Don't bother. The Rock Candy Mountain crowd doesn't want to hear it.
3 posted on 11/25/2002 1:26:43 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: GeneD
It shouldn't be a crime to download music. It's a crime to write some of this stuff. Just call it 'generic' like they do for medicine.
4 posted on 11/25/2002 1:32:20 PM PST by ex-snook
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To: Credo
I am no fan of the recording or movie industry, but at Annapolis there is the matter of the Honor Concept in which Midshipmen are not to lie, cheat, or steal.

Hold your fire! The fact that a Midshipman 1)has a computer, 2) has a connection to the internet and 3) has MP3's on his/her hard drive does not imply they lied, cheated or stole them.

I have over 200 MP3's on one of my PC's at home - with all the original CD's (every last one) in a rack! The fact that I use my PC as a "Juke Box" is not currently a crime, at least not in my state.

So, what am I guilty of?

5 posted on 11/25/2002 1:39:07 PM PST by Jambe
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To: GeneD
Well now, let's not get too hard on the young lads and lassies. Remember, they are still barely out of high school. Now since the Navy can't exactly keelhaul anyone anymore, I would suggest a temporary punishment. During the summer, the offending middies could be assigned to an ocean going tug or a fleet oiler. Or maybe they can be assigned to a base where they get up at 0400 and work the galley until noon, and get port and starboard liberty. Those who refuse can be kicked out. Those who accept would learn a valuable lesson in discipline and the hard work it takes to be a sailor.
6 posted on 11/25/2002 1:44:37 PM PST by Enterprise
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To: Jambe
First, do you RELIGIOUSLY zap the MP3 if you get rid of the CD it came from?

Second, knowing how the Navy does things, they probably have firewall logs that show who downloaded what and when.

7 posted on 11/25/2002 1:45:41 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
True.

This is a serious matter, but the RIAA does seem like it is getting too big for its britches.

Most of my MP3s, I got either older casette tapes or the CDs that the sings in question came from. In a few instances, I have the MP3s, but have not been able to LOCATE the CDs.

I'd need to know more details on this one.
8 posted on 11/25/2002 1:53:49 PM PST by hchutch
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To: Credo
You're in the old stone age... back in the Old Corps, midshipmen and cadets had real Honor Codes which essentially said a Cadet/Midshipman does not lie, cheat or steal, or tolerate those who do. They were single sanction: if convicted of an honor violation, you were dismissed. This is no longer true at the service academies, and the Navel (sic) Academy Honor "Concept" is mushy stuff, elastic enough that they probably can't (and shouldn't) nail the perps.
9 posted on 11/25/2002 2:10:25 PM PST by CatoRenasci
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To: GeneD
The cost is deducted from midshipmen's monthly paychecks

I have a MAJOR problem with this. These laptops are private property - even under UCMJ.

Further, a Midshipman could also call his folks back home and ask them to buy the CDs. When brought up on charges, claim fair use and if necessary, provide the CD as evidence.

I see a VERY POOR legal case.

10 posted on 11/25/2002 2:21:46 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: GeneD
The President of the United States can commit perjury, not to mention violations of sexual harassment laws and that's OK, but let some midshipman have a "pirated" copy of music on their hard drive and all hell breaks loose.

If they are paying for the laptop, then it's theirs --were there search warrents issued? The government will loose this case.

11 posted on 11/25/2002 2:32:48 PM PST by The Great RJ
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To: taxcontrol
"Further, a Midshipman could also call his folks back home and ask them to buy the CDs. When brought up on charges, claim fair use and if necessary, provide the CD as evidence."

That would be piling-on, compounding an Honor violation. Sheesh!

12 posted on 11/25/2002 3:06:26 PM PST by onedoug
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To: taxcontrol
IP is not my specialty, so I won't make a legal argument, but I still don't see the moral difference between this and taping a song of the radio.

Maybe I could see the case IF people had stopped buying hard copies in the stores, BUT THEY HAVEN'T! In my neighborhood, there are MORE music stores open than there were 5 years ago before people knew what MP3s were! Myself, I have bought CDs after being able to listen to some of the singles a few dozen times as MP3s - I suspect many others have done the same. It's a good way to discover new things you'd like to buy and avoid buying crap you'll get tired of listening to.

This case is about maniacal "ARTISTS" and their lobbyists who want to feel like they have control over something. The sign of Naval decline here is NOT that the midshipman happened to have some CDs, but that the sense of DUTY and LOYALTY in the military is so DEGRADED that they roll over like pitiful dogs as soon as a bunch of fatcats in pinstripes go after them.

I had a relative who LIED to the military once - about his age, so that he could get in! Did he deserve punishment? No, because his lie did not hurt the service. There are violations and then there are violations...we should be going after servicemembers for service-discrediting activities: statutory rape, cowardice in the face of the enemy, crack use, etc. Things that 85% of Americans do and that harm nobody should not be called service-discrediting, especially where it cannot be proven that somebody was actually hurt.

13 posted on 11/25/2002 3:27:53 PM PST by American Soldier
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To: GeneD
I have to add another message...

A lot of freepers are reading this story and interpreting it backwards.

Our military and the martial character of our people has declined. This case is a perfect example of the "zero defect mentality" that is sapping the military's young officers of that key element of command - PERSONAL INITIATIVE. To be an effective leader, you have to make bold decisions using whatever information you have and not sit sweating bullets over whether you found the "perfect" solution. The modern military often drifts toward the zero defect mentality through episodes like the one the article describes.

I hope they don't screw up any of these cadets' careers through this. The answer is simple - CORRECTION without long-term penalties. Make them delete the MP3s! Then there is no harm. Give them a lecture. I guarantee you that many of these kids honestly did not know they were doing anything dishonorable or unethical and were probably surprised and horrified when all of these important-sounding people in ties started saying they had.

What's already happened is enough. I'll be disgusted with the Navy if they make an example out of even one of these kids just to please Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera.

14 posted on 11/25/2002 3:35:25 PM PST by American Soldier
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