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Vanity- Tongue piercing

Posted on 11/24/2002 5:07:38 PM PST by Trust but Verify

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To: BrooklynGOP
Nope...While it certainly would show the verity of the case if she were to do it, I am merely predicting that it is too late for the mother to do anything to stop it.

The mere fact that this girl is telling the pushover mother that she wants to nastify her body is clue enough that she defines herself by what other's think.

301 posted on 11/24/2002 10:36:35 PM PST by krb
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To: Dan from Michigan
Personally, I never had to pierce my tongue. All I'd do is lick my eyebrows and that was enough.

Nam Vet

302 posted on 11/24/2002 10:46:28 PM PST by Nam Vet
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To: krb; BrooklynGOP
Don't get me wrong, I don't want it to be the case, but you have to remember we are working off of averages here. Is she a skank ho for wanting a tongue stud? Well, by percentages, I'd guess that 80% of the ones who have them suffer from moral terpitude, as opposed to the other 20% who must be pushing the artistic/creative envelope somehow.

So if my percentage is right, a betting man would have to take the 80% bet that she is destined to be a skank.

The mother should tell her that the most successful relationships happen when the girl surprises her guy with her amazing talents in private (as opposed to advertising them with a calling card), and the guy thinks that he is the only one who has ever received them :-)

303 posted on 11/24/2002 10:49:56 PM PST by krb
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To: Nam Vet
LOL
304 posted on 11/24/2002 10:50:15 PM PST by krb
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To: Nam Vet
lol
305 posted on 11/24/2002 10:52:18 PM PST by Jason Kauppinen
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To: Nam Vet
Now I really, rrrealy like you.
306 posted on 11/24/2002 10:53:49 PM PST by txhurl
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To: txflake
Remember, 'girly', you will have to answer for your un-comely persuasions. Apparently you neither have a daughter nor plan to have a daughter.

So far you have called me "mate", "chick" and "girly". Why?

I have sons. I have done nothing more than agree with what the mother herself has said. Heavens! I had no idea I was engaged in "uncomely persuasions"! I thought I was simply giving an opinion.

After all the name calling, perhaps you would like to explain your displeasure with my comments? Then perhaps we could have an actual discussion.

307 posted on 11/24/2002 10:54:17 PM PST by Dianna
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To: Dianna
Uh, uhm, I'm drunk. Sorry. Not that I'd entertain your ...polite persuasion... at any time. Have a nice night.
Bluuurp!
308 posted on 11/24/2002 10:57:40 PM PST by txhurl
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To: txflake
Chicken
309 posted on 11/24/2002 11:02:16 PM PST by Dianna
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To: IncPen
The purpose of tongue piercing is to enhance oral sex. So I hear.

This is correct. Girls nowadays do this as a message to guys that they "give head". That is what the girl in question undoubtably has in mind, sorry to reveal.

In fact, since the escapades of The Rapist came to public attention, there has been a huge increase in te expectations of girls to perform oral sex as an act without meaning. It is yet another sign of the debasement of our culture foisted upon us by that wretched scoundrel.

From "head parties" where girls as young as 13 give guys head, to public figures such as Christina Aguilera, who's entire persona is now indistinguishable from that of a common whore, we are sadly experiencing the final act of cultural debauchery of our children's innocence which began in the 1960s.

I am amazed this parent's daughter is only requesting this at age 18. Where I live, I have seem girls in Junior High with such piercings, and dressed as little tarts, complete with "butt cleavage", push-up bras, and slutty makeup, all at age 14.

310 posted on 11/24/2002 11:07:56 PM PST by montag813
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To: pabianice
Let me set her up with the 19-year-old who works at my town's CVS drugstore. He has scarlet hair and fourteen (14) different piercings in just his face alone.

You should immediately contact the store's manager, as well as CVS' parent company to complain. Mobilize like-minded friend until this little SOB is fired. Until businesses refuse hire young people who insist on such a revolting appearance, we cannot make headway in reversing this insipid trend.

311 posted on 11/24/2002 11:15:20 PM PST by montag813
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To: montag813
Where I live, I have seem girls in Junior High with such piercings, and dressed as little tarts, complete with "butt cleavage", push-up bras, and slutty makeup, all at age 14.

I have a friend who's a high school teacher in a distant town.

I visited and we went out for ice cream, and observed several scantily clad young things while we were there.

"Jeez look at that," I said. "You must be tempted, surrounded by that all day."

"Not really," he said. "Just talk to them for 15 minutes, you'll want nothing to do with them..."

312 posted on 11/24/2002 11:20:53 PM PST by IncPen
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To: dennisw
give you cute guys better cunnilinguis

If she's performing cunnilingus on guys, she's got more problems than a mere tongue piercing can ever hope to solve.

And to think I've poo-pooed all the "feminization of the American male" threads.

313 posted on 11/24/2002 11:52:15 PM PST by Melas
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To: IncPen
Bingo! What's worse than a promiscuous female who values nothing resembling spirituality or intellect? (and a man who values neither is no better)
314 posted on 11/25/2002 12:00:10 AM PST by Skywalk
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I'm stepping on my MD soapbox. Being pierced with sterile instruments by a person wearing sterile gloves may keep you from getting someone else's infection (hepatitis C, etc.), but won't protect you against infection with your own germs. The mouth is teeming with bacteria and other germs. You can't sterilize your mouth and you certainly can't keep it sterile until your tongue has healed around the stud. The skin is a dry desert with much less bacteria than the moist rainforest of the mouth, yet remember how often you've been warmed to wash your hands to keep even that desert from infection. The presence of a foreign body (the stud won't stay sterile) delays healing and increases the risk of infection. The only saving grace is that the tongue's rich blood supply usually lets the body overcome infection. But that is a double edged sword. The same rich blood supply gives bacteria easy access to the rest of the body.

Speaking as a Dermatologist, if you have to be pierced do it where both ends are skin and there's nothing important in between. That way if you get a local infection treatment will likely be simple and effective. Unlike a local infection of the tongue which can swell enough to interfere talking, swallowing, eating, drinking and even breathing. Think what strep throat or tonsilitis can do to make you miserable without the assist of a gaping hole in your tongue. Piercing the lip or vulva probably has a similar risk for becoming infected, but at least they aren't likely to require a tracheostomy. Nasal piercing probably has an intermediate infection risk. Many people carry Staph. Aureus in their nose and that could quickly collapse the cartilage holding the nostril open if given access to it by a piercing. That is not easily fixed, but heck, you'd still be able to breath through the other nostril.

You also need to consider non-infectious local risks like bleeding. Bleeding is easily controlled with ear piercings, not so easily at a tongue. I refer anyone needing their tongue biopsied to oral surgeons. I'm scared of causing bleeding I can't control there. Lips seem like a place where pressure should control any bleeding, yet there is the lingual artery running its length and you can't predict just where it runs. Pierce it and hemostats and sutures will be needed to stop some impressive bleeding. You can probably get to the ER in time.

Nipple piercing is relatively safe, locally, for guys. For women it risks their future ability to breast feed. It also may interfere with a promising new early diagnostic test for breast cancer, breast ductal lavage.

This is not to say I endorse "old fashioned" ear piercing as an entirely safe practice. I see plenty of complications from that, especially keloid scars and the development of nickel allergies. However even cubic inch keloids on both ears, which aren't rare, are "small" relative to the problems from piercing non-skin sites.

315 posted on 11/25/2002 12:02:14 AM PST by JohnBovenmyer
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To: txflake
I gave my advice, but I'll try to be a little more succinct.

The girl is 18. She will ultimately make her own decision. As a parent, it's important to guide her in the right direction but to not push her farther away by telling her she can't. If she is searching for her own identity, like many other 18 year olds, the more she is told it is forbidden, the more she will want to do it. In the grand scheme of things, a tongue piecring is not a big deal. It is a learning experience and ultimately makes her learn responsibility (whatever it is) for her own choices. It's called growing up.

And what other people think regarding tongue piercings and oral sex, blah blah blah... means absolutely nothing. Period. Making her worry about what others think of her will only make her more insecure. Let he make her own decision. Let her learn responsibility.

316 posted on 11/25/2002 5:12:02 AM PST by rintense
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To: Trust but Verify
Tell he nobody "finds themself" by being on the cutting edge of conformity.
317 posted on 11/25/2002 5:14:39 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Trust but Verify
I am thinking if you give permission for this that down the road your granddaughter will have a tongue piercing if she wants it at a very young age, maybe even for a 13th birthday present and your grandson will have an ear and nose ring around the same age.

I could not give permission for this. I am 35 and mom of 2 little ones.

318 posted on 11/25/2002 5:22:35 AM PST by alisasny
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To: Texaggie79; Trust but Verify
The celeb-impersonator votes are in, and they say "Don't let her do it." It's too easy for nice girls to be mistaken for skanks; we need offer no help in that regard.
319 posted on 11/25/2002 5:50:28 AM PST by Xenalyte
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To: jackbill
"If she's emancipated, that is, living on her own, supporting herself and her education, there isn't much that you can do other than plead to her common sense (which sounds minimal)."

As an adult, do you care what your mother thinks? Most adults do care what the family matriarch thinks.

Motherly direction is NOT minimal, especially with 18 year old girls. By this time, girls are just starting to realize their moms have brains. Girls' greatest rebellion occurs from 14-16 years old. As females, they're more relational, AND THEY DO CARE WHAT YOU THINK.

Really, just say you absolutely do not approve. Don't give reasons and negotiate. It's not a control issue. She will make up her own mind. But how can you expect to influence her if you don't give advice confidently. By reasoning with her, you are dealing with her as a peer. You're not a peer. As her mother, your opinion is much more important.


320 posted on 11/25/2002 5:59:31 AM PST by keats5
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