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To: nanny
OK, so we shouldn't ask the politicians to put their careers on the line just to save this country? Is that what you are saying?

Not at all. I'm saying that if the Republicans don't play it right, they will be thrown out of office and the Dems will go right back to bringing in even more immigrants. Clinton illegally rushed through naturalization for hundreds of thousands of known felons in order to improve his numbers in the 1996 election.

If you can accomplish a real good by sacrificing your career, fine. But if you play it wrong, lose your career, and make the situation worse than it was, how does that help?

Sacrificing your life so your fellow-soldiers can win the battle is heroic, but sacrificing the whole company and losing the battle is stupid.

64 posted on 11/24/2002 3:07:11 PM PST by Cicero
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To: Cicero
[Not at all. I'm saying that if the Republicans don't play it right, they will be thrown out of office and the Dems will go right back to bringing in even more immigrants. Clinton illegally rushed through naturalization for hundreds of thousands of known felons in order to improve his numbers in the 1996 election. ]

Now what your statement says to me - if President Bush does what needs to be done on the immigration problem, he will be toast. Now, you have to understand I personally believe America as we know it is at stake. NOt just the question of the illegal Mexicans and their harm. I am talking of potentional terrorists getting through. Now anyone with two cells working knows they will try to get through from Mexico and with our present set up most assuredly are getting through.

So we do nothing substantive to stop this and Republicans stay in power, so the dreaded democrats don't get the US. It will take something substantive to get the job done, it is a very large problem. As most problems get that are ignored. At the same time, we have turned it over to terrorists and illegal aliens. Those are your only two options. Now when the illegals are given the right to vote, the democrats will be in anyway - so why not do what is right and save the country.

Your premise that the Republicans would loose if PRes. Bush does the right thing is just a premise. I suggest he will get even more votes from Americans who are tired of this. He most likely will get more black votes; he most likely will get more of the Americans of Mexican decent (they are also sick of it), and I am betting he will get more of the white vote. Now if the illegals are gone or are barred from voting until they can be 'gone' - their vote will be moot.

So my question still stands, President Bush does nothing that has teeth, we have a country given away to illegal aliens and a country that has out a welcome sign for terrorist. Now does it matter if that country has a Republican or Democrat majority. It is lost. Do you see what I mean?

[If you can accomplish a real good by sacrificing your career, fine. But if you play it wrong, lose your career, and make the situation worse than it was, how does that help?]

And now the premise that he will sacrifice his career is debatable, I don't think that is a foregone conclusion.

No one has a crystal ball. We don't ever know if what we do will accompish what we want. Most people seem to be willing to sacrifice American military and we don't know what the outcome of the Iraqi or any war will be. In a war, I assume, we feel we can risk American lives because to do nothing or do less than is necessary is unthinkable. I believe we are at that point in this country. This is war, pure and simple and either you do what needs to be done or you don't. But don't pretend saving your career is for the American good - it doesn't fit. [Sacrificing your life so your fellow-soldiers can win the battle is heroic, but sacrificing the whole company and losing the battle is stupid.]

As I said I am not sure his political career is at stake - but what is the alternative. Piecemeal appeasement will make it worse. He has two years to do this and he can make great strides. He could have already had the lion's share accomplished had he done what he needed and could have done right after 9/11.

Now my stance is it has nothing whatsoever to do with votes. He is smart enough and so are many Americans to know these people are not going to vote Republican. I just don't see how. They are going to vote for the one who gives them the most goodies. Now in that vein, are we supposed to continue to give them goodies just to keep them in the Rpublican camp. We will have given them the country, what else? You see we end up with something that doesn't even resemble America, or a party that doesn't even resemble a Republican party. If he does nothing drastic, we have lost , either way.

80 posted on 11/24/2002 3:58:40 PM PST by nanny
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