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To: Steel and Fire and Stone
If we are just programs, then is the use of freewill already determined?
23 posted on 11/22/2002 11:20:06 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
The model here is that complex results, arise from simple algorithims. Domesticated Primates tend to be Chaotic process!
24 posted on 11/22/2002 11:38:45 AM PST by Leto
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To: stuartcr
If we are just programs, then is the use of freewill already determined?

Our bodies are like the computer hardware (for many of us "older bodies", it's like the IBM px/xt computer model, exotic at one time, but pretty worn out by now ). Our souls are the software programming. Out bodies will perish, the media containing our information may perish, but the information that represents our souls will live forever.

Men are not just the sum of inanimate programming. God gave man sentience, and within certain parameters, a "free will". Freedom always comes with constraints. We may operate as if that is not true when discussing philosophy or religion, but we betray that contention in the way we live our limited lives.

Your argument on "freewill" is the juxtiposition of the famliar rant that occurs with every disaster, rape, or murder, e.g. "How could a loving God allow this to happen to innocents?!" The answer is: "How could a loving God NOT allow man that freedom. We'd be robots! Robots can never sentiently chose to love God.

Freedom is a double edged sword, i.e. the same freedom that produced the Good Samaritan also allowed the thugs who beat and rob the victim in the first place. God is the ultimate "pro-choicer". Man can't blame God for "acts of God" AND for constraining freedom simultaneously. The problem of chaos and evil in this world is due to the sin of mankind.

However, God also promises accountability and reward. God's states clearly: All have sinned (i.e. HUGE error dump!!), and will be doomed because of our choice.

God's solution: There is only one who has not sinned, who is absolutely good. There is only one who has already paid the price, who has paid YOUR price. There is only one way to be saved from the corruption that sin has wrought. Jesus Christ. Those who accept Him as their Lord and Savior will have the reward of eternal life.

Wise men who earnestly seek wisdom, order, and goodness will find it in Christ.

God Bless.. SFS

26 posted on 11/22/2002 1:04:11 PM PST by Steel and Fire and Stone
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To: stuartcr
If we are just programs, then is the use of freewill already determined?

Nope, just preknown. We experience time as linear, and can only go forward.
God on the other hand lives out side the 4 dimensions we can know,
and can see the beginning and the end. Hard concept for me for sure,
but about the only way I can make any sense of it.

Some wag said I think, you have to be crazy to understand quantum theory.

Check here for some good stuff on this subject. khouse.org

29 posted on 11/22/2002 1:29:07 PM PST by itsahoot
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To: stuartcr
If we are just programs, then is the use of freewill already determined?

Some Christians believe so.

39 posted on 11/23/2002 6:30:28 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: stuartcr
If we are just programs, then is the use of freewill already determined?

Some Christians believe so.

Oops - here:

Is Calvinism Inconsistent with Free Will? - Loraine Boettner

40 posted on 11/23/2002 6:32:13 PM PST by Terriergal
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