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To: MadIvan
Believe me right after Sept. 11th everyone in NYC was buying gas masks. I even order two expensive ones for my boss and his wife. He asked me if I wanted one and I told him no and here is why: The problem with them is when you buy them you have to be wearing them when the attack happens. How many people are going to walk around with a gas masks on. They are a waste of money unless you walk out of your house wearing one. By the time you put it on you will already be dead from the cyanide gas. Horrible thought but true. Looks like our British brothers and sisters are going to be bombarded with threats every 3 or 4 months just like we are. All you can do is be alert and pray nothing happens unless you convert to Islam and then you will be safe and sound </sarcasm>. That's the latest threat for NY and Washington. Wonder what is next?
9 posted on 11/19/2002 10:57:20 AM PST by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
Actually you would have a few seconds to actually get the mask on unless the toxic gas weapon is literally dumped at your feet the standard for the armed forces is 10 seconds. The fact that the folks in Washinton D.C. all have gasmasks & are building themselves a brand new $286 million dollar state of the engineering art bunker literaly attached to the back wall of the Capitol buildings basement. The sad part is that 99%of what is being done is to protect the government class .Note to all freepers if you are going to buy a gasmask get one from the manufacturer or a safety equiptment supplier not the army surplus store. You will get new equiptment not something that has been sitting on a warehouse shelf for 10 to 40 years.
20 posted on 11/19/2002 5:02:14 PM PST by Nebr FAL owner
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To: areafiftyone
The problem with them is when you buy them you have to be wearing them when the attack happens. How many people are going to walk around with a gas mask on. They are a waste of money unless you walk out of your house wearing one. By the time you put it on you will already be dead from the cyanide gas.

Wrong. If that's true why did the British government issue them to civilians during WWII? A gas attack even by aerial bombing doesn't deliver sufficient concentrations of the agent to overcome the average person within 4 seconds, (the maximum time that should be necessary to put on a gas mask). On the tube the gas dispersal system is likely to be very crude, probably a reaction mixture in a container, which would be thrown into a train carriage or onto a platform. Also, cyanide producing chemical reactions often produce a whitish vapour and an almond like smell, hence you would know something was going on before a lethal concentration of the gas got to you and so you could put on the mask before you were overwhelmed.

Of course, a biological attack is a completely different matter. You would have to wear your gas mask all the time while you were on the tube if you wanted to be sure you were safe from a microbial agent, since you would have no warning that the agent had been released. Strictly speaking only a military NBC-grade gas mask is guaranteed to give protection against biological attacks.

Anthrax is probably the most likely biological agent to be used, less likely are tularemia and plague, these two are more difficult to mass-produce and disperse as they are gram negative non-spore bearing coccobacilli. However, these two bacteria would cause a dangerous epidemic, since unlike anthrax they would spread to other people who were not infected in the attack. Mass production and freeze-drying of anthrax spores, under safe conditions, isn't that easy and I suspect al Qaeda would need help from Iraq, or some other scumbag nation, to mount an anthrax attack. A gas attack would be a lot easier and wouldn't require stuff to be imported, if the perps know anything about basic chemistry.

A Smallpox attack on the tube would be the worst case scenario, because by the time the first cases have been diagnosed and the alarm raised - hundreds of people all around Britain, and probably across Continental Europe, would already be infected. The Soviet's India-1967 bioweapon strain of Smallpox is the most lethal strain available, (at least a 50% mortality rate in unvaccinated victims). Unfortunately, this is the strain Sodem Insane is most likely to have, since the Russians kindly supplied it to North Korea and probably their Iraqi pals too. The British Government should buy in enough Smallpox vaccine to do the entire population and should make the vaccine available to any Briton who wants it. That would make mass vaccination easier if a Smallpox attack occurs, as well as not tying the fates of all Britons to the decisions of a bunch of incompetent PC left-wing half-wits.

30 posted on 11/20/2002 7:20:22 PM PST by David Hunter
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