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To: E Rocc
" Is the objective to ban worshipping gods other than the Judeo-Christian "God", using said deity's name "in vain", not keeping the "Sabbath" holy (whatever that means) or making "graven images"? The fact is there's a lot of stuff in the Ten Commandments that is absolutely none of the government's business. -Eric "

Yes those are the objectives.

1) We have "One Nation Under God"; "In God We Trust"; Our individual rights are "God Given". I believe all men of faith worhsip the same God however they choose to approach it. However I will violently oppose an atheist government. Our rights are God-given they are not granted by men. That is a fundamental difference between our original government and socialism.

2)Public cursing and swearing is against the law in most places. It originates with that Commandment.

3) The Sabbath remains Holy as far as the Government and much of our government calendars are concerned (though it is under concerted assault). The Government does not work on Sundays (except essential services)

4) re: "graven images", I'm sure you agree the government has no business creating "graven images" of any God.

While the government justice system may have the 10 Commandments as a moral underpinning it does not mean that it forces others to follow a creed or doctrine. It does not stop you from making any graven image you choose. It does not stop you from cursing or worshipping the devil... but do it in your own church, on your own property.

Western Civilization is under attack. I for one am ready to defend it to the death, as were my ancestors.

Tell me what else in the 10 Commandments is none of the governments business.

98 posted on 11/19/2002 9:36:44 AM PST by Mark Felton
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To: Mark Felton
We have "One Nation Under God"; "In God We Trust"; Our individual rights are "God Given". I believe all men of faith worhsip the same God however they choose to approach it.

Is Jesus God in this scheme? I'm not so sure that the founding fathers would have agreed. Most did not believe in a personal God.

145 posted on 11/19/2002 10:01:54 AM PST by Dave S
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To: Mark Felton
We have "One Nation Under God"; "In God We Trust"; Our individual rights are "God Given". I believe all men of faith worhsip the same God however they choose to approach it. However I will violently oppose an atheist government.

What if we call this God Allah? Vishnu?

153 posted on 11/19/2002 10:05:39 AM PST by Dave S
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To: Mark Felton
Your error is what I call the "statist fallacy", the idea that what government does is all that is important

Surely any believer in the Ten Commandments would maintain that they apply to individuals. Yet regardless of what governments do or don't do, the right of individuals to worship (or not worship) as they please is protected. The right to use the Judeo-Christian God's name in vain in a movie or even on TV (cable at least) is protected. And an individual may make as many "graven images" as they choose.

Go ahead and prosecute any one of these people based on these Commandments, if they are the basis of our government. Take it to the Supreme Court, and present your case citing the Commandments. It's pretty much a given that even Justice Scalia will assume his trademark smirk and begin his questioning with "precisely where in the Constitution (his emphasis) does it say ....".

-Eric

293 posted on 11/19/2002 11:13:48 AM PST by E Rocc
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