X said "Exactly. And yes, we do have laws prohibiting adultery, murder, and theft, and there are Commandments that relate to the underpinnings of those laws. BUT, there are plenty of non-Christian societies that have those same laws. And because those laws exist in the absence of the Ten Commandments, it is incorrect to assume that we have those laws because of the Ten Commandments. We'd have had them anyway even if we weren't Judeo/Christians."
One point you seem to have missed is that "non christian" societies do have SOME of the same laws. But many pagan societies do not.
And many Middle Eastern countries do not have the Christian part of the law. They repay with revenge, not justice. Stoning women for adultery, even if they were raped. Cutting off a hand for stealing. All of that still happens today in those countries.
The Grace, the Christian addition to law is very important, and can't be overlooked.
One point you seem to have missed is that "non christian" societies do have SOME of the same laws. But many pagan societies do not. I'm not trivializing the worth of the Ten Commandments. But it's just bad logic to say 1) the Ten Commandments forbit murder, 2) the U.S. forbids murder, therefore 3) the U.S. forbids murder because of the Ten Commandments. You are overstating your case.
And many Middle Eastern countries do not have the Christian part of the law. They repay with revenge, not justice. Stoning women for adultery, even if they were raped. Cutting off a hand for stealing. All of that still happens today in those countries.
So what? The point made upthread was that our laws are based on the Ten Commandments. You're now talking about the "Christian part of the law", which has nothing to do with the Ten Commandments. Show me something in the Ten Commandments that bars stoning for adultery, or cutting off a hand for stealing.
The Grace, the Christian addition to law is very important, and can't be overlooked.
It can and should be overlooked when you're trying to prove that our laws are based on the Ten Commandments. It's a separate issue.